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To: metmom
Certainly we are saved NOW here on earth,

Yes, and no. See my previous post (#784).
1,190 posted on 05/06/2015 12:37:37 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan
Yes, and yes.

I saw the post.

Scripture says otherwise.

We are saved. Past tense. NOW.

We are new creatures in Christ. We exist in both the physical realm and the spiritual realm at the same time. We are alive in the spiritual realm NOW, being seated with Christ in the heavenly places.

Our salvation is done, finished, secure in heaven.

On earth here, we are being conformed to the likeness of Christ, continuing His mission of bringing the good news to the world, doing the good works he planned ahead for us to do, to bring Him praise and glory.

But we ARE saved NOW.

Jesus tells us here that we already have eternal live when we believe.

John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

1,195 posted on 05/06/2015 5:07:39 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: paladinan; metmom

I think in every case, the “we are NOW saved” scriptures come from Paul’s epistles. In the “we are NOT now saved” camp, those scriptures are pulled from James, Peter, John, etc. All of whom ministered to the Jews. Not a koin-ki-dink, if only people understand who wrote what when to whom and why. {{{SIGH}}}


1,196 posted on 05/06/2015 5:15:13 PM PDT by smvoice ("It certainly looked like a small toe")
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