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To: editor-surveyor
No, [the Roman Catholic Church] has been around since it was founded, in 364 AD.

Can you explain that one? What specific event do you use as the Roman Catholic Church's "birthday"?

Could you also explain how St. Ignatius of Antioch, who lived from roughly 50-117 A.D., could write the following, given your hypothesis?
"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church [Gr. εκει η καθολικη εκκλησια].
—St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8

105 posted on 04/28/2015 12:58:51 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: paladinan

Ignatius was an early nicolaitan, before the the great apostasy came along. He wasn’t as far off the track as Constantine’s cult is, but he did seek the falseness of human authority.


106 posted on 04/28/2015 1:05:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: paladinan
Could you also explain how St. Ignatius of Antioch, who lived from roughly 50-117 A.D., could write the following, given your hypothesis?

"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father

That's an easy one...Those writings of Ignatius were forgeries written a couple hundred years later and attributed to Ignatius...Likely it was Eusebius...

170 posted on 04/28/2015 3:26:58 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: paladinan; editor-surveyor
Could you also explain how St. Ignatius of Antioch, who lived from roughly 50-117 A.D., could write the following, given your hypothesis?

In the light of all the forgeries and insertions committed by the Roman church, tell me how I am supposed to be sure that these words were penned by Ignatius of Antioch.

209 posted on 04/28/2015 5:15:30 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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