Are you infallible?

One Fold ^ | December 10, 2013 | Brian Culliton

[paladinan]

Will you receive it when shown to you in the Bible passages? The Gospel is 'Salvation comes through faithing in Christ'.

Of course. But the Bible (among other things, including common sense and logic) makes clear that "faithing" (usually rendered "believing") is LOADED with meaning; it's not simply an intellectual acceptance of a truth. (The demons have that, and they tremble--cf. James 2:19.) I listed several things which are "compressed" into that "pregnant" word, "believe"...

1) baptism saves us (1 Peter 3:21)
2) endurance saves us (Matthew 10:22 and 24:13)
3) calling on the Name of the Lord saves us (Romans 10:13)
4) believing and CONFESSING that Jesus is Lord saves us (Romans 10:9)
5) corporal works of mercy save us (Matthew 25)

...and the list goes on. All of these, and more, are "packed" into the little word "believe"; all of it is necessary, contingent on our ability and gifts.

There's also a lengthy list of things which will CONDEMN us, no matter whether we "believe" an intellectual proposition about Jesus, or not (e.g. we will be judged for what we did for the least of Christ's brethren [Matthew 25], and for the works we have done [at least 11 references in Revelation, alone], and for how we have loved [1 Corinthians 13], etc.).

I do not reject the idea that we are saved by faith. I reject (in unison with St. James) the ridiculous Protestant idea that one can be saved by "faith alone", and I reject the equally ridiculous, free-will-denying idea that a Christian cannot lose his/her salvation once it is attained. Only an utterly biased, reductionist, wish-fulfilling attitude toward the Scriptures could possibly yield such nonsense.

[MHGinTN]

How do the gathered Bishops select the next Pope?

[paladinan]

See my comment at #681.

[metmom]

This is a common mis-conception. The human authors of Scripture were indeed true authors in the sense that they wrote what they wished to write. The Holy Spirit didn’t use them as some secretary, dictating to them what He wanted written.

“God breathed” indicates the true source of “inspiration” (God). It doesn’t necessarily mean that Scripture is “God’s Dictation”.

And you know this how?

The the Holy Spirit Himself tell you how He inspired the authors of Scripture to write what they wrote?

Are you infallible in your understanding and interpretation of Scripture and how the Holy Spirit moves and works?

Where did you get your information from?

[editor-surveyor]

If you do not want to hear the word, that is not my affair, and no amount of reposting is likely to change that.

To whom were they written?

Hebrews was written to the dispersed descendants of northern Israel in general. Second Peter was also written to dispersed northern Israelites, but specifically in Asia Minor.

All of these are the people to whom Yeshua declared he was sent, in Matthew 15:24.
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[editor-surveyor]

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>> “How do the gathered Bishops select the next Pope?” <<

I haven’t the foggiest notion. Does it have any relevence at all?

[smvoice]

Show me in scripture where the selection was a disobedient act by men and not of God. You cannot because it is not there. Word for word, it is not there. You fail to understand what I posted to you because you don’t CARE to see it. The post was simple and I know you cannot possibly be as SIMPLE as you seem. Now, according to the way you’ve showed me to establish falsehoods in any of your posts to me, I have detected a falsehood in your assessment of Matthias. Now, off you go..

[MHGinTN]

"I reject the equally ridiculous, free-will-denying idea that a Christian cannot lose his/her salvation once it is attained." To respond I would have to know 'when' you believe Salvation is attained. Care to share? ... I will understand hesitating on that one, in the atmosphere now roiling about us. I would only offer that Salvation is not like a Yo-Yo, it is like unto a Rock, as the expression of Peter to the Lord, to which the Lord replied regarding that profession:

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The Gates of Hell open which way? ... And how is Peter opening those gates if he is the rock? I would offer humbly that the profession of Whom is Christ, the Son of the Living God is the rock of Salvation against which the gates of Hell cannot resist the escape of even the long dead faithers, such as Abraham.

In the Nicean Creed we read that Jesus descended into Hades, and led capticity captive. If Catholics believe in Pergatory, then the gates of that place cannot prevail against the profession of Whom Christ Is when God reveals it to the human heart, for it is His absolute authority. No institution of man can muster that kind of authority, brother. [And here I reference obliquely the questionable addition of 'binding' authority which so conveniently the Catholic Church claims to wear but which does not appear in the oldest manuscripts, IMS). Perhaps that is why the Catholic Church wishes to claim divine establishment of the institution?

[editor-surveyor]

Nothing in your post was simple nor organized.

I still cannot imagine what you wish to say, other than you like the idea of men doing God’s thinking for him.

How does any of it relate to post #517?

[MHGinTN]

“If you do not want to hear the word, that is not my affair, and no amount of reposting is likely to change that.” A cutting remark, but thoroughly wrong. I have carefully posted for you many passages which support what I have shared with you. Shall I presume you have not read them because you don’t want to hear them? May it not be so ...

[editor-surveyor]

If you had actually posted them I would have read them, but you have never posted any scriptures that I have noticed.

Post them here with proper highlighting so it can be seen what you mean.

[smvoice]

Then perhaps you should re-read your post 517. Everything is NOT the same as it always was. What was preached to Moses was NOT what Paul preached. What the 12 did was NOT the same as what Paul did. You’re told this over and over, from Romans through Philemon, even Peter speaks of some things that Paul wrote being “hard to understand”. Do you think he meant Paul had trouble verbalizing? uh, I don’t think so. He meant that the things Paul was writing were DIFFERENT than what Peter and the 11 taught. “Hard to understand”, get it?

[Mark17]

at one time I belonged to a works based religion (WBR) that will remain un named

If you'll pardon the interjection: if you'd only joined the Catholic Church, you wouldn't ever need to worry about belonging to a "works-based religion"; the Catholic Church condemned Pelagianism at the Council of Ephesus, over 1000 years before Luther was born.

LOL, the works based religion (WBR) I was in, WAS the Roman Catholic Church. MHG knew exactly what I meant. 😇😂😎 I am not into WBRs no matter if they think God saves 95% and they save 5% of themselves, and stop the Luther fixation. I am not positive what Luther believed and I don't follow him. I am sure Luther would roll over in his grave if he knew some people took his name and started a religious denomination with it. You can believe whatever you like. Have a nice eternity. Maybe I will see you at the pearly gates. 🇵🇭😃😀😄

[MHGinTN]

I’m sorry you missed them. Some did not have the chapter and verse but were quoted accurately from the King James, going back just in the 630 range: posts # 631, 638, 646, 650, and 663.

[Iscool]

You-
Afterward, Jesus and His disciples went (in the VERY FIRST VERSE after the conversation with Nicodemus) and they BAPTIZED (with water, since that's the very meaning of the word--see Acts 8:36-38, etc.)... and we know that Jesus baptized both with water (see above) and with the Holy Spirit (see above). WATER AND SPIRIT.

Me-
Baptize means water???

You are the one who said water means baptize...And that is your proof that being born again includes baptism since the word water is in there...

Joh_3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

And now here you are back-peddling claiming water does not mean baptism...

You-
Er... no. Baptize means "baptize" (Gk: baptizein = "immerse, dip in water"); it's done WITH water. Just like "shower" doesn't mean "water"--it means "having water fall all over you, for the purpose of cleaning your body". Is this seriously new to you?

And being 'born' has nothing to do with baptism...'Born' is not baptism...

So now you clearly admit that there is no evidence of baptism in John 3:5...

And if scripture means anything to you at all, consider this:

Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

What it DOES NOT say is that the Holy Ghost will baptize you with water...
In one instance we are baptized (immersed) into water...In the other instance we are baptized (immersed) into the Holy Ghost (no water)...

Every time it says baptize/baptism in the scripture is no indication that water is always present...

'Born again' is the result of being baptized into the Holy Ghost...

[MHGinTN]

“Salvation is not here yet. If you fail to endure to the end, you will not be among the saved at the day of trumpets.” You wrote that to eagleone, but since we have posted numerous posts with scripture reference to refute that error, but not to you specifically, I would respectfully draw your attention to posts #485, 505, 621, 656.

[xone]

Saw it, I was Responding to your question in #626 re: the Bible being and testifying that contains all info required for salvation.

[Iscool]

This is why the authors are always called the “inspired authors”. Their inspiration came from God but the words were theirs (unless specifically indicated otherwise). St. Paul’s writings were, for the most part, LETTERS for goodness sakes. Do you think he sat down to write those letters, went into some kind of trance, and then allowed his hands and arms to move a pen to shape some letters and words that weren’t his own?

Really?

Instead of you using your own logic and common sense, perhaps you should see what the bible says about it...Oh, that's right, you guys don't believe God...

1Co 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
1Co 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

So we can believe your common sense, or, we can believe God...

2Pe_1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Mat_5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

God approved of every word, including every and, if, by, to and ignorant...

What you think about it means nothing...

[xone]

I am sure Luther would roll over in his grave if he knew some people took his name and started a religious denomination with it.

He was alive at the time when the Catholics named it Lutheranism in an attempt to discredit the same.

[Iscool]

God’s promise demanded that we “endure to the end.”

To the end of what???