Posted on 04/28/2015 8:36:56 AM PDT by RnMomof7
“Now keep in mind...only nuns take a vow of “chastity “...(no sex) ..priests on the other hand take a vow of “celibacy “ ( no marriage) ..so there is no vow stopping a mistress or male partner ..just no legal tie that would allow inheritance .
“The ignorance (to say nothing of the mendaciousness) of this comment is stunning, and only bigotry or stupidity could explain it adequately.
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Or the history of the catholic denomination. There was at least one pope with children and I suspect, many priests.
From Wiki...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popes
Popes sexually active after receiving Holy Orders
Pope Julius II (1503–1513) had three illegitimate daughters, one of whom was Felice della Rovere (born in 1483, twenty years before his election as pope, but twelve years after his enthronement as Bishop of Lausanne).[17] The schismatic Conciliabulum of Pisa, which sought to depose him in 1511, accused him of being a “sodomite covered with shameful ulcers.” [18]
Pope Paul III (1534–1549) who, according to some sources, held off ordination in order to continue his promiscuous lifestyle, fathering four illegitimate children (three sons and one daughter) by his mistress Silvia Ruffini after his appointment as Cadinal-Deacon of Santi Cosimo and Damiano. He broke his relations with her ca. 1513. There is no evidence of sexual activity during his papacy. He made his illegitimate son Pier Luigi Farnese the first Duke of Parma.[19][20]
Pope Gregory XIII (1572–1585) received the ecclesiastical tonsure in Bologna in June 1539, but subsequently had an affair with Maddalena Fulchini which resulted in the birth of a son, Giacomo Boncompagni, in 1548. Giacomo remained illegitimate but his father later appointed him Gonfalonier of the Church, governor of the Castel Sant’Angelo, as well as governor of Fermo.[21][22]
Pope Leo XII (1823–1829), as a young prelate was suspected of having had a liaison with the wife of the soldier of Swiss Guard and as nuncio in Germany allegedly fathered three illegitimate children.[23]
Popes accused of being sexually active during pontificate
Pope Sergius III (904–911) was accused by his opponents of being the illegitimate father of Pope John XI by Marozia.[24] These accusations are found in Liutprand of Cremona’s Antapodosis,[25] as well as the Liber Pontificalis.[26][27][28] The accusations are disputed by another early source, the annalist Flodoard (c. 894–966): John XI was brother of Alberic II, the latter being the offspring of Marozia and her husband Alberic I, so John too may have been the son of Marozia and Alberic I. Bertrand Fauvarque emphasizes that the contemporary sources backing up this parenthood are dubious, Liutprand being “prone to exaggeration” while other mentions of this fatherhood appear in satires written by supporters of late Pope Formosus.[29]
Pope John X (914–928) had romantic affairs with both Theodora and her daughter Marozia, according to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis.[30][31](See also Saeculum obscurum)
Pope John XII (955–963) was accused by his adversaries of adultery and incest.[32][33] The monk Benedict of Soracte noted in his volume XXXVII that he “liked to have a collection of women”. According to Liutprand of Cremona in his Antapodosis,[25] “they testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father’s concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a whorehouse.” According to E. R. Chamberlin, John XII was “a Christian Caligula whose crimes were rendered particularly horrific by the office he held”.[34] Some sources report that he was rumoured to have died 8 days after being stricken by paralysis while in the act of adultery,[32] others that he was killed by the jealous husband while in the act of committing adultery.[35][36][37][38] (See also Saeculum obscurum)
Pope Benedict IX (1032– became pope in 1044, again in 1045 and finally 1047–1048).[39] He was accused by Bishop Benno of Piacenza of “many vile adulteries.”[40][41] Pope Victor III referred in his third book of Dialogues to “his rapes... and other unspeakable acts.”[42] His life prompted Saint Peter Damian to write an extended treatise against illicit sex in general, and homosexuality in particular. In his Liber Gomorrhianus, Damian accused Benedict IX of routine sodomy and bestiality and sponsoring orgies.[43] In May 1045, Benedict IX resigned his office to pursue marriage.[44]
Pope Paul II (1464–1471) is popularly thought to have died due to indigestion arising from eating melon in excess,[45][46] though a rumour was spread by his detractors that he died while engaging in sodomy.[47]
Pope Sixtus IV (1471–1484). According to the published chronicle of the Italian historian Stefano Infessura, “Diary of the City of Rome”, Sixtus was a “lover of boys and sodomites” - awarding benefices and bishoprics in return for sexual favours, and nominating a number of young men as cardinals; some of whom were celebrated for their good looks.[48][49][50] However, Infessura had partisan allegiances to the Colonna and so is not considered to be always reliable or impartial.[51]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503) had a long affair with Vannozza dei Cattanei while still a priest, but before he became pope; and by her had his illegitimate children Cesare Borgia, Giovanni Borgia, Gioffre Borgia, and Lucrezia. A later mistress, Giulia Farnese, was the sister of Alessandro Farnese, and she gave birth to a daughter (Laura) while Alexander was in his 60s and reigning as pope.[52] Alexander fathered at least seven, and possibly as many as ten illegitimate children, and did much to promote his family’s interests - using his offspring to build alliances with a number of important dynasties.[53] He appointed Giovanni Borgia as Captain General of the Church, and made Cesare a Cardinal of the Church - also creating independent duchies for each of them out of papal lands.
Pope Leo X (1513–1521) was accused, after his death, of homosexuality (Francesco Guicciardini and Paolo Giovio). It has been suggested he may have had ulterior motives in offering preferment to Marcantonio Flaminio.[54]
Pope Julius III (1550–1555) was alleged to have had a long affair with Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte. The Venetian ambassador at that time reported that Innocenzo shared the pope’s bed.[55]
Um, I don’t think you’re supposed to pull their covers. Public truth regarding the infallible papas is a no no. Folks could be burned alive for that just a few centuries ago, know what I mean? The Catholic warpath is wide even if not so long. ‘Inquisitive’ minds will be punished don’tchaknow.
I’m thinking that you’re missing the point, completely. Nowhere did I deny that we had sinful popes (only Protestants seem to affect shock at this—sometimes to gin up polemical sympathy from otherwise ignorant bystanders).
Rather, I was saying that any claim about “chastity vs. celibacy” being some sort of “official Catholic loophole which allows extramarital sex” is indicative that any such claimant needs to have some of his/her meds re-balanced.
“Um, I don’t think you’re supposed to pull their covers. Public truth regarding the infallible papas is a no no. Folks could be burned alive for that just a few centuries ago, know what I mean? The Catholic warpath is wide even if not so long. ‘Inquisitive’ minds will be punished don’tchaknow.”
MHGINTN! Hi br’er! I hope you are well. I seen to rarely run into you on a thread these days.
Well, what can I say....?
Fortunately, the Inquisition ended a while back. I am sensitive to heat.
There were very good reasons that Martin Luther attempted to pull Rome back onto a Christian path. They rejected it. Before him, the Moravians called Rome on their sinful practices and it did no good. Finally, the Orthodox denominations refused to go along with the extra powers Rome wanted for itself.
Here we are today.
In that context, thank God for salvation! For eternal life! For His grace!
Blessings to you
AMPU
“Rather, I was saying that any claim about “chastity vs. celibacy” being some sort of “official Catholic loophole which allows extramarital sex” is indicative that any such claimant needs to have some of his/her meds re-balanced.”
“A fish rots from the head down.”
If the man you place in charge supports sin, claims to the contrary do not matter. That is the policy.
If the leadership supports covering up child molesters, that is the policy.
You can debate theory. I’m posting actuality.
So... this is what you’re encouraging the thread to degenerate toward? I... see.
Maybe, when I said that this content “dished” by some particular anti-Catholics on this board was worthy of Jerry Springer, I was holding the standard a bit too high...
I suppose “The View” could use some sex-snarking “Christians” like these... since Rosie O’Donnell is out, and more will probably follow...
To the reasonable people on this thread (including some Protestants whose standards and manners are admirable): sorry to bail out; maybe I’ll see you on another thread. This one is getting too much of a worldly, raunchy stench for me (and so quickly!). The scum-to-benefit ratio has gotten just a bit too high... and there’s just no talking to people who’re proponents of that sort of thing.
You really expect to be taken seriously, after posting sundry drivel like this? You supposedly decry "Catholic lies", and then turn around to throw out a nutty, irrational accusation which is more worthy of Jerry Springer that it's worthy of the mouth of a Christian?
Already in the sixth century, Emperor Justinian realized the danger of the property of the Church being alienated through the inheritance of priests’ children who were themselves not-priests. Thus he issued decrees which were the first steps towards obligatory celibate priesthood. He demanded that «a person who had children could not be a bishop, and a married cleric must live with his wife as with a sister» (cf J.M. Ford, ‘Celibacy’ in A New Dictionary of Christian Theology). In fact, Emperor Justinian was continuing, perhaps in a more diplomatic way, the efforts already visible during the Council of Nicaea (AD 325) to try to make celibacy obligatory among clerics.
The Gregorian reforms in the eleventh century on this question of priestly celibacy can also be partly understood in the same economic perspective. The reforms were intended not only to encourage the semi-monastic standard and spirit among the clergy but also, and probably mainly, to prevent priests from being too absorbed in the feudal system with its central concern of material possessions.
There is no doubt that the question of material possession and the economic well-being of priests has always played some role in the maintenance of the institution of priestly celibacy in the Catholic Church. It is not rare in our ecumenical dealings with the Protestant brothers to hear them speak approvingly of the Catholic Church’s maintenance of priestly celibacy. And their main reason for this is that priestly celibacy enables an economically better state for the Roman Catholic priest.http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/rc_con_cclergy_doc_01011993_prob_en.html
Now....who is posting "sundry drivel like this".....but the VATICAN ITSELF????
“This one is getting too much of a worldly, raunchy stench for me (and so quickly!). “
If I posted a historical or factual error, please feel free to correct it.
If I posted factually, then the “worldly, raunchy stench” emanated from the Vatican.
I thought you wuz busy?
practicing medicine without a license IS allowed on FR.
Goodbye.
What ever you do; please do NOT cross the road to tend to the man set upon by robbers.
We Samaritans will take over now.
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We’re all missing out on your ‘wisdom’ LC!
(thank God)
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>> “The scum-to-benefit ratio has gotten just a bit too high” <<
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Well, we sure wouldn’t want you to have to associate with scum!
Don’t let the door nip your heels!
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You better watch your back. The angel Moroni will be gunning for you. 😂😃😆
Would you actually care to refute what RnMom said with FACTS?
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