Are you infallible?

One Fold ^ | December 10, 2013 | Brian Culliton

[MamaB]

Jesus is the Rock not a feeble man who was not perfect.

[MamaB]

Thanks but I did not cut and paste. I do know the Bible and have heard it numerous times over the years.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “The Church of Rome has been around since Peter” <<

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No, it has been around since it was founded, in 364 AD.

(or do you trace it back to the serpent in the tree?)
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[paladinan]

You had a different teacher than I. Perhaps one of us learned poorly.

That's a fairly logical hypothesis (though it doesn't cover all possibilities--e.g. someone taught one of us badly, one of us is delusional, etc.). So... how do we find out which one of us is the "culprit"? I'd check the objective rules of English Grammar (may I recommend Strunk & White?), personally.

Regardless, the church referred to in the Holy Bible clearly is not the Roman Catholic church.

"Clearly"? How do you come to that conclusion?

Claiming that it is, in spite of the great numbers of RCs and the long tradition of the RCC,

Why would the current population of the Roman Catholic Church, and its long tradition, DISPROVE its claim? If anything, its 2000-year-old "tradition", and its vast population which dates back to Apostolic times, SUPPORTS Her claim.

is a false claim that Scripture Itself disproves.

Could you cite chapter and verse where the Bible says, "the Roman Catholic Church is not the real Church"? I must have missed it...

[paladinan]

No, [the Roman Catholic Church] has been around since it was founded, in 364 AD.

Can you explain that one? What specific event do you use as the Roman Catholic Church's "birthday"?

Could you also explain how St. Ignatius of Antioch, who lived from roughly 50-117 A.D., could write the following, given your hypothesis?

"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church [Gr. εκει η καθολικη εκκλησια].
—St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8

[editor-surveyor]

Ignatius was an early nicolaitan, before the the great apostasy came along. He wasn’t as far off the track as Constantine’s cult is, but he did seek the falseness of human authority.

[FatherofFive]

No, it has been around since it was founded, in 364 AD.

So Wrong. The Church is mentioned in Scripture. Paul tells us to take issues to the Church. Paul tells us the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth

[FatherofFive]

Thanks but I did not cut and paste

Correct. You did less than cut and paste. You posted a few verse references. Without context. Without meaning

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “Could you cite chapter and verse where the Bible says, “the Roman Catholic Church is not the real Church”? I must have missed it.” <<

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That has to be the absurdest request that I have seen in months!

Was it a feeble attempt at humor?

[Resettozero]

Paul tells us to take issues to the Church.

But Paul didn't say only the church that will have a pope one day but hasn't even started yet.

[MamaB]

With all the problems I have right now, 2 eye surgeries, moving, falling after my resident ghost pushed me backwards over an end table, recovering from that, my costochondritis flaring up, frankly, I do not care what you think.

[RnMomof7]

You know of course that there are other lists of popes

[paladinan]

Ignatius was an early nicolaitan, before the the great apostasy came along. He wasn’t as far off the track as Constantine’s cult is, but he did seek the falseness of human authority.

(??)

May I ask if you have some rational basis for asserting this, as opposed to mere personal opinion (or half-remembered nightmare--whichever)?

[FatherofFive]

I do not care what you think.

Bless you. But why are you posting if you don't want to engage in a discussion? Silly.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “Why is anything after Deu 4:2 relevant?” <<

Everything in the word after that verse is in full agreement with the preceding; why would it not be relevant?

>> “It is all added.” <<

False!

There is no commandment added afterward; they are all just repetition of the “first things.”

I smell the breath of the serpent!
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[FatherofFive]

But Paul didn't say only the church that will have a pope one day but hasn't even started yet.

It was the only Church. The one that endured until today. As Christ promised.

[MamaB]

I think you are right, someone with a bad hair day. We all have them.

[paladinan]

[paladinan]
Could you cite chapter and verse where the Bible says, “the Roman Catholic Church is not the real Church”? I must have missed it.

[editor-surveyor]
That has to be the absurdest request that I have seen in months! Was it a feeble attempt at humor?

:) Well... since you're a "sola Scriptura" adherent, and since you made the claim that The Roman Catholic Church claim to authenticity "is a false claim that Scripture Itself disproves", I assumed that you had some iron-clad reference to the 'refutation' of the Catholic Church in Scripture. If not, then I'm left to suspect that your assertion is merely another eisegesis-rich, anti-Catholic-Church canard which is based on a mix of outrageous Scriptural cherry-picking, inherited hatred and bias, and wishful thinking.

Unless, of course, you have some incontrovertible, logically-consistent proof to back up your claims? If so, I'd be interested to see them.

[FatherofFive]

Everything in the word after that verse is in full agreement with the preceding; why would it not be relevant?

But it was added. When the Scripture said nothing was to be added.

[FatherofFive]

There is no commandment added afterward; they are all just repetition of the “first things.”

Where is "Eat my Flesh" in the OT?