[daniel1212]

The bishops and deacons were still elders but the elders were not necessarily bishops and deacons.

I think we must deal with the ordained title. One could be an presbuteros as in a clan and not be a presbuteros/pastor in the church, but if he was the latter then he was also called a episkopos, and episkopos were all presbuteros from what we seen in Scripture, which uses both for the same pastoral persons.

[ravenwolf]

I think we must deal with the ordained title.

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Sorry I believe I know what presbuteros means but mostly I get mixed up trying to use language I do not understand.

I am just saying that Titus and timothy was to pick qualified men from the elders of the Church and appoint them as Bishops and Deacons and that men did not become elders by being appointed but were elders by age and knowlege.