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To: Mrs. Don-o; Iscool; metmom
You quote saints as if they were writing defined Catholic dogma. Why is that?

Because they are!!!!! There is so much false teaching on Mary the catholic can't keep up with all of it....or they don't want to.....maybe both.

I think it's because you do not recognize he differences between dogma, doctrine, and theological opinion.

You ought to look into this, iscool. For someone who does not believe the Pope is infallible under any circumstances, you seem to think Catholics hold the saints to be infallible in every circumstance.

Then the pope needs to start clarifying what is not correct about these writings....but he can't as we'll show below.

This is a basic error, and it leads to a lot of confusion on your part, because you have so far not shown the least inclination to distinguish one thing from the other.

That's why you keep getting the vapors about "This is what Catholics believe!" when you have not once (that I know of) tried to distinguish whether it is a teaching of the Church, or not.

I notice you do not refute any of this. That is telling.

You're actually trying to hide behind the differences between dogma, doctrine, or theological opinion?! That's weak.

The same saints I am quoting are the ones catholics claim they pray to with the exception of Manteau-Bonamy. But he was an expert theologian at the 2nd Vatican Council.

This is the danger of catholic "tradition" and why it is rejected by Christians.

If these are saints who have received their authority from apostolic succession then how can the catholic reject these??

If these writings are not reflective of catholic teaching/belief, then the Vatican needs to start getting out memos to that effect.

But they can't because the current pope has quoted from the "Glories of Mary". You will note that two of the quotes in my previous post are from this "work".

In the same talk, the pope spoke again about how he recently read “The Glories of Mary,” a hefty book written in 1750 by St. Alphonsus Liguori. “In this book, I like reading the stories about Mary that are behind each chapter; in them you see how Mary always leads us to Jesus http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/04/20/mother-and-son-pope-francis-has-a-personal-intimate-devotion-to-mary/

You will note that the pope did not disclaim any of these.

Regarding Eadmer....he must also be credited with being one of the first serious proponents of the Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary when he defended popular traditions in his De Conceptione sanctae Mariae.

So you see, these are not just some willy nilly quotes that have been selected. These are from accredited saints in the roman catholic church. These are "approved" if you will.

It is my hope that catholics come out of the roman catholic cult and become a follower of Christ.

195 posted on 04/20/2015 7:04:57 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
This is the danger of catholic "tradition" and why it is rejected by Christians.

Actually a majority of the world's Christians do accept Catholicism and its Sacred Tradition. Please do not try to restrict the term Christian by the use of the "no true Scotsman" argument.

205 posted on 04/20/2015 8:19:08 PM PDT by Petrosius
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