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To: CTrent1564; CynicalBear

This would include making images of Mary and bowing down to her.


177 posted on 04/18/2015 2:28:35 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

You’d probably bow to the Queen of England if you were presented to her but you wouldn’t bow to the Queen of Heaven?


178 posted on 04/18/2015 2:42:38 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: "I should like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
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To: ealgeone

ealgeone:

No, it would not. Icons or images of Mary are not the same as Worshiping. Bowing down is only sign of reverence. Catholics bow their heads when they enter a Church, or they should, that does not mean they are worshiping the walls of the Church or sacred art, icons, statues, etc. in the Church it is only a sign of reverence.

2nd Nicea in 787 rejected iconoclasticism. The first challenges to relics, icons, etc. did not occur until the 8th century in the Eastern Church as it responded to Muslim charges of idolatry, some in the Eastern Church took the view you are positing, but as I stated, it was formally and without hesitation rejected at 2nd Council of Nicea. It was not until Calvin and Zwingli, more so than Luther and the Anglican’s such as Crammer, who argued for the position against Icons {Iconoclastic] that brought the issue back into debate in the 16th century. The Council of Trent reaffirmed 2nd Nicea, not that it could reject it, but it did correct some of the abuses of popular practice at that time.

Idolatry is much broader than even you definition, not only does it refer to false pagan worship, it also refers to things that Man places or reveres to a level that it challenges his love of God, this could be Money, race, the State [politics or say political party], power, etc.


180 posted on 04/18/2015 3:11:52 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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