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To: CynicalBear; EagleOne

There is a natural body and spiritual body, but it is the same person, one is pre resurrection, subject to pain and death, the other is transformed by Christ. Yet, same body. C

Not once are taught to not venerate dead bodies either. In fact, there is nothing of the sort. Clearly the Jews of Christ time revered Christ dead body as they anointed it and treated it with great care and dignity.

And as I noted in a post to eagleone, the early Church reading the same NT came to a different conclusion that you did with respect to your statement “Not once in all scripture are we taught to venerate a dead body”

Those links are clearly referenced to numerous different authoritative teachings, Scripture, Creeds, Church Fathers, Councils, etc.


164 posted on 04/18/2015 12:17:49 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: ealgeone

Courtesy ping.


167 posted on 04/18/2015 12:45:23 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: CTrent1564; EagleOne
>>Those links are clearly referenced to numerous different authoritative teachings, Scripture, Creeds, Church Fathers, Councils, etc.<<

You didn't notice that in 96AD when John wrote Revelation 85% of the churches already taught error? In fact Paul warned churches in his day that error was creeping in. And you want to trust people even later than that? Good luck with that. Paul said anyone who taught something they didn't should be considered accursed. Please show where the apostles taught veneration of dead bodies as a way to honour the dead.

170 posted on 04/18/2015 12:57:09 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CTrent1564; CynicalBear
And as I noted in a post to eagleone, the early Church reading the same NT came to a different conclusion that you did with respect to your statement “Not once in all scripture are we taught to venerate a dead body”

Those links are clearly referenced to numerous different authoritative teachings, Scripture, Creeds, Church Fathers, Councils, etc.

You interprets it that way, I can find nobody before Luther, Calvin and Zwingli that shared your views save maybe the early Gnostics who rejected the Incarnation outright and thus did not believe in a resurrection of the body thus they would reject venerating or honoring the dead.

In the early third century, a Catholic/Orthodox theologian, Origen wrote: Christians and Jews have regard to this command, "You shall fear the Lord your God, and serve Him alone;" and this other, "You shall have no other gods before Me: you shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them;" and again, "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve." It is in consideration of these and many other such commands, that they not only avoid temples, altars, and images, but are ready to suffer death when it is necessary, rather than debase by any such impiety the conception which they have of the Most High God (Origen. Contra Celsus, Book VII, Chapter 64, http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04167.htm 01/23/07).

174 posted on 04/18/2015 2:17:18 PM PDT by ealgeone
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