Posted on 04/08/2015 1:19:59 PM PDT by metmom
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Beyond comprehension.
What shall we do?
Turn to Christ.
It’s the ONLY answer.
God ca’t be self-existent because Mary is His mother. /sarc
LOL!
We humans seem to have this need to contribute something to our salvation.
Totally throwing yourself on the mercy of God’s court and trusting Him completely, can be a scary place for control freaks like human beings.
Only possible when you see your self as God sees you..rather than on how you see yourself or others see you. It’s very humbling when you are ‘in’ your sins....otherwise it’s very freeing when you’re no longer in that place rather ‘in’ Christ....know you’re forgiven and the relationship he designed us for is established.
Oh what love... From the Divine and Almighty!
While Mary is not the mother of the Triune God who always was and always will be, the Holy Spirit clearly reveals in Matthew 1-2 and Luke 1-2 that God chose Mary to be His mother while he was incarnate in the person of Jesus Christ.
So true.
I've noticed that Mary was TOLD what was going to happen.
Yes, Mary is the mother of Jesus, God with us, the incarnation.
She is NOT the mother of GOD.
Yes, Mary is the mother of Jesus, God with us, the incarnation.
She is NOT the mother of GOD.
I agree that Mary is not the mother of the Triune God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. No one was before God. No one is greater than God. No one is more powerful than God.
Everything that was done was through the will of the Father. His only begotten Son becoming incarnate, Mary conceiving and bringing forth His Son, Mary and Joseph taking care of His Son as a child. It is only in this sense that Mary can be called the mother of God, God with us, God incarnate, Jesus Christ.
This does not make Mary any more than what scripture tells us, highly favored and blessed among women.
One thing I keep in mind when thinking about the relationship between Jesus and Mary is what He said in Luke 2:49: “And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?” This is one of the sayings His mother kept in her heart, that He must be about His Father’s business. First, last, and always.
Saying *mother of God* does NOT say the same thing as saying *mother of Jesus*.
*Mother of God* states that GOD had a mother, a beginning.
*Mother of Jesus* states that the incarnation had a beginning, with no risk of misinterpretation that someone might think that God was a conceived being.
The Holy Spirit used the phrase *mother of Jesus* for a reason and the Catholic church had and has no business trying to correct the work of the Holy Spirit.
What chutzpah. Man can never improve on what God does. He can only mess it up more.
The Holy Spirit clearly reveals that the Father chose Mary to be the mother of His Son while He was in the flesh. Not that God had a beginning, but that “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
While it is true that the words “mother of God” do not appear in Scripture, the Holy Spirit clearly reveals that Mary was the mother of God incarnate. If you can show me how the following verses do not show that Mary is the mother of God incarnate, please do so.
Matthew 1 tells us that the angel of the Lord told Joseph that Mary shall bring forth a son, who shall save his people from their sins; that this was done, to fulfill that which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
Does this not show that Mary was the mother of our Savior who they shall call God with us?
Luke 1 tells us that the angel Gabriel told Mary that she shall conceive in her womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus; that He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. The angel further said The Holy Ghost shall come upon her, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow her: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of her shall be called the Son of God.
Does this not show that Mary was the mother of the Son of the Highest whose kingdom shall have no end, and who shall be called the Son of God?
Luke 2 tells us that Elisabeth’s son leaped in her womb when Mary greeted her; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Does this not show Elisabeth calling Mary the mother of the Lord?
After Mary gave birth to Jesus in Bethlehem, the angel of the Lord told shepherds that unto them is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
Does this not show that Mary was the mother of our Savior, Christ the Lord?
Luke 2 also tells us that it was revealed to Simeon by the Holy Ghost that he should not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ; and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, Simeon took him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel, and Simeon said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
Does this not show Simeon saying that he has seen the Lord to Mary the Lord’s mother?
When the wise men come into the house where they found the King of the Jews, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him.
Does this not show the wise men worshipping Christ the King in the presence of Mary His mother?
It is unbelievable that God would choose to lower Himself to become a human being, to allow Himself to be conceived of and born from a woman, to be a servant to His fellow man, washing His disciples’ feet, to subject Himself to the Jewish leaders and the Roman officials, to allow Himself to be spit upon, scourged, have a crown of thorns put on His head, sentenced to death and crucified on a cross. Yet this is what we believe. Why do you find it so much harder to believe that He would also subject Himself to His mother Mary and His foster father Joseph, especially when the Holy Spirit tells us in Luke 2:51 that this is exactly what He did? It was not just the human Jesus that “was subject unto them.” It was God the Son, who said unto them, “wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?”
Did I ever say that Mary was not the mother of God Incarnate? Then why would you challenge me to show that Scripture doesn't show something that it doesn't show.
It is unbelievable that God would choose to lower Himself to become a human being, to allow Himself to be conceived of and born from a woman, to be a servant to His fellow man, washing His disciples’ feet, to subject Himself to the Jewish leaders and the Roman officials, to allow Himself to be spit upon, scourged, have a crown of thorns put on His head, sentenced to death and crucified on a cross. Yet this is what we believe. Why do you find it so much harder to believe that He would also subject Himself to His mother Mary and His foster father Joseph, especially when the Holy Spirit tells us in Luke 2:51 that this is exactly what He did?
And here's your error. GOD did not subject Himself to Mary and Joseph. JESUS did while He was still under their authority.
It was not just the human Jesus that “was subject unto them.” It was God the Son, who said unto them, “wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?”
God in any person is NOT subject to humans. Jesus, the incarnation of God, was as long as He was under their authority.
In the gospels, once He reached adulthood, He was no longer required to obey them as seen by His actions in dealing with his family once He started His ministry.
Saying *mother of God* does not say or mean the same thing as saying *mother of Jesus* and you really did not need to waste your time proving to me something that I never disagreed with in the first place, that is that Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Did I ever say that Mary was not the mother of God Incarnate?
Are you saying that God Incarnate is not God? Isn’t God the Son just as much God as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit? Isn’t each person of the Trinity God, whole and entire? Why wouldn’t that make Mary the mother of God in the person of Jesus Christ, who is God the Son, God Incarnate, God with us? How do you separate Jesus from God?
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Your problem is with the definition of motherhood, not Godhood.
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Your problem is with the definition of motherhood, not Godhood.
Thank you for agreeing that my problem is not with the definition of Godhead. Scripture shows us, though, that the Holy Spirit has revealed the motherhood of Mary. The problem is attempting to separate Jesus from God. How is that done?
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