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To: JesusIsLord
"We would not have Jesus without her."

Oh, please do not say that. Jesus is God, my FRiend, the second person of the Tri-unity. Of course we had Him..."Before Abraham was, I AM!" He appeared on earth many times before taking a human body. Mary bore the body, but we would have had Him come at some time of His choosing. You bear the Holy Spirit right now (if you are among those God has chosen)...should we adore you? Should we venerate you? Every believer has the Holy Spirit, because that is the promise, but we venerate no one (unless you are a Catholic, then you are taught to venerate men/women...blasphemous). Mary bore his human body, but no more.

136 posted on 04/08/2015 8:21:21 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
"We would not have Jesus without Mary."

If you don't believe this, then you must believe that Jesus is absent any of Mary's DNA; that Jesus' humanity was achieved without Mary. You cite the pre-incarnate Jesus. We're discussing the incarnate Jesus; the God-Man Jesus. Do you believe Mary was merely a container and that her DNA is no part of Jesus? If you believe this, then you are in opposition to 2000 years of orthodox (small o) Christian teaching.

154 posted on 04/12/2015 5:07:13 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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