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To: metmom; Steelfish
Additionally, the eucharist has nothing to do with the resurrection because the CCC states that it's a participation in the death of Christ

Would there have been a Resurrection without the death/ crucifixion?

Steelfish: Without the Eucharist, everything else is useless.

Chapter and verse?

John 6:53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

I guess not having life in you would tend to make everything else useless.

BTW still waiting on a prot to show me the DEFINITION any DEFINITION of SS in the Bible.

Mind you I am only expecting a knee jerk response from the prots. I used facts and cited the scriptures.

304 posted on 04/10/2015 12:54:09 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
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To: verga; metmom
Steelfish: Without the Eucharist, everything else is useless.

So if someone has a death bed conversion without benefit of communion, or for the catholic, baptism....too bad??? Guess the thief on the cross is just out of luck then isn't he?

> Metmom: Chapter and verse? <

John 6:53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

Please...read John 6:22-71 so you will have the proper context of how one "eats" and "drinks" the flesh and blood.

Without proper context you will develop incorrect theology....see John 2:5 for a prime example of this. Catholics have taken this one verse out of context and have built an entire worship of Mary around it.

311 posted on 04/10/2015 1:39:33 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: verga; metmom; CynicalBear; EagleOne
BTW still waiting on a prot to show me the DEFINITION any DEFINITION of SS in the Bible. Mind you I am only expecting a knee jerk response from the prots. I used facts and cited the scriptures.

Baloney! It's been done numerous times. The only "knee-jerk" reaction going on is by the refusal to acknowledge it has been, because to do so would show the utter stupidity of claiming it hasn't BEEN answered! You cite NO "facts" nor Scripture to prove against the truth that ONLY sacred Scripture, as the wholly and ONLY Divinely-inspired resource we have from God has intrinsic authority solely because of its nature and origin. Mere men did not "give" us sacred Scripture. It derives it's authority NOT because of some ephemeral "infallibility" of men to determine what is or is not from God, but from its very source - the Holy Spirit. It is why ALL the tenets that make up the rule of the Christian faith have their basis IN Scripture.

At one time even the Catholic church believed that but as they fell further away from the orthodox Christian faith and into the morass of cleverly concocted fables, godless myths, endless genealogies - which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith - and commandments of men who turn away from the truth, the need to give equal authority to those human "traditions" and their hierarchy to that of God's holy word became an imperative. That is the REAL reason why the doctrine of sola Scriptura is fought against so vociferously and those who DO hold to the authority of God's word are ridiculed, mocked, slandered and insulted. It's okay, though, because, for this reason we also suffer these things, but we are not ashamed; for we know whom we have believed and are convinced that He is able to guard what we have entrusted to Him until that day.

381 posted on 04/10/2015 8:12:29 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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