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To: daniel1212
D- When I was a little kid and did something wrong, and my parents called me on it, what was the first thing I'd say? "Everybody else is doing it!"

My parents would say that it was too bad, that was no reason!

Just because "everybody's doing it" doesn't make it right! A Christian is expected to be perfect, even as our Father is perfect: we can't, but that does hold us to a higher standard. The devil loves to divide and conquer, and he must really enjoy some of the vicious posting that stops people from having a productive, adult dialogue worthy of any denomination of Christians.

PS: If a Mormon posted, I would courteously ask questions and state my beliefs. What is it that people have against them around here? For people who criticize Catholics for saying we have the greatest, though not complete, deposit of the Truth, the proselytizers here seem to have s zero-tolerance policy for anyone who believes differently. I'm nice when they or the Jehovah's Witnesses come to my door. And with one exception in my life, they're polite, and we end up agreeing to disagree- but at least kind to one another. That's a lot more than I've gotten from some of the people here- usually the same ones, too.

210 posted on 04/03/2015 9:42:55 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God; Elsie
Just because "everybody's doing it" doesn't make it right!

No, but there is a difference btwn following "a multitude to do evil," (Ex. 23:2) as in resorting to immature ad hominens in lieu of an argument, versus both sides countering what they see as evil. And the objection we see is that of RCs complaining about attacks on their church when RCs for years have done the like toward Protestantism.

And they also fail to see that promoting or standing for a church which they assert is the one true one, and that all others are "deficient in grace," and Protestant ones are not fit to be even properly called churches.

Likewise, posting any truth claim on a forum means that you are at least allowing for it to be challenged. And which is what RCs complain about.

The devil loves to divide and conquer, and he must really enjoy some of the vicious posting that stops people from having a productive, adult dialogue worthy of any denomination of Christians.

The devil also tries to blur the distinction btwn truth and error, while God says "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him,' and "that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 3) (Leviticus 19:17)

And while "vicious posting" is in the eye of the beholder, and while we have even been told by RCs that there never has been any anti-Protestant bigotry here, or they never see RCs initiating arguments with Protestants, while the protests i see are mostly from RCs who simply object to RCs claims being refuted and called what they are, while they presume to do the same against what they present as Protestantism.

PS: If a Mormon posted, I would courteously ask questions and state my beliefs. What is it that people have against them around here?

1. Like RCs, they assert they are the one true church, all others being inferior or apostate.

2. Like Rome, they hold to sola ecclesia, that the church is effectively supreme over Scripture, led by a leader who possesses ensured veracity.

3. Like RC's, they hold to and defend extra-Biblical fables as being "Divine revelation."

4. Teaches final salvation is thru becoming good enough to be with God. 5. Teach of a postmorteum existences outside Heaven and Hell.

6. Like RCs, they insist on pushing their church and propaganda, then playing victim when reproved.

And due to the extremes of Mormonic doctrines and behavior here, the owner himself rebuked and basically them from doing so. And there are more similarities, one of which, as expressed by a pro-Truth="anti-Mormon" web site:

“Then, when I attempt to offer any sort of disagreement or rebuttal, you [LDS] accuse me of hatred, bigotry and un-Christlike behavior. If that isn’t enough, to add insult to injury, you want to steal my name and have me accept you as a Christian. (Keith Walker quote from Dave Mitchell’s book, “Challenge to Investigate;” www. evidenceministries.org, “Mormonism’s Hypocritical Attack,” March 2012) .

For people who criticize Catholics for saying we have the greatest, though not complete, deposit of the Truth, the proselytizers here seem to have s zero-tolerance policy for anyone who believes differently.

Actually, evangelicals show the strongest Prot unity due to stronger commitment, like as traditional RCs have the strongest Cath unity due to stronger commitment, but due to the latter manifest the most contentious debates. It takes something so fundamentally wrong as sanctioning sodomy for liberal churches to have a split.

I'm nice when they or the Jehovah's Witnesses come to my door. And with one exception in my life, they're polite, and we end up agreeing to disagree- but at least kind to one another.

And this morning i i pursued two JWs up the street (they always bypass my house) to offer them a gospel tract, and which they refused as they must, saying they had the truth. The novice wanted to talk, but the disciple acted according to her programming, sternly saying ""we don't want to argue" (meaning deal with a challenged to their indoctrination), and thus i warned them of the consequences of a false gospel. (Gal. 1:6-9) For these are not simply common folk who just go to church or ID with on as most Caths etc., but JWs who have signed on to be formal missionaries, even if they usually do walk at a slow pace in putting their time in so that they can get to their earthly paradise. If you agree to promote any Truth claim, esp. that of a one true church, then you cannot try to play victim when challenged.

By like RCs, their trust is in an organization, and thus the faithful are not to seek to ascertain the veracity of their teaching by examination of evidences. For to do so would be to doubt the claims of their org. to be the assuredly faithful interpreter of Scripture and history. Even though objectively speaking they have mislead souls in the past and do so now. Blind leaders of the blind.

Certainly i believe in being gracious and kind to people, and doing thing like giving free food out and helping others by God's grace, with no strings attached, and would want to do things even for JWs like carry their bags of groceries to the 3rd floor, but if one is giving souls the wrong directions for eternity, esp. in proactive evangelism, then i also need to confront that with Truth.

I have had both JWs and Mormon in our apt., and let them give their say, but when i started asking questions that would have or did expose their false gospel then it was them who turned scornful, and resorted to the "we don't want to argue" mantra.

And about a month ago during early evening, i was shoveling out a car and two young ladies walked by on the sidewalk. They were not Latino like most of my neighbors in those densely populated poor city, and i looked up and said hi, and to my surprise one of the these thin well dressed young ladies asked me if i needed any help. I smiled with a surprised grin and asked something like, "You want to help me?," as that is what i would've likely asked her if she was shoveling instead!

But she said "yes, i can do it," and started taking off her jacket before i dissuaded her from trying to help. But by now i had noticed her Mormon tag on her clothing, and i said something to get the ball rolling on that issue, and for the next few minutes i was able to give her info on what i believed differently, and some things she likely did not know about the org she worked for, and how we are accountable for preaching false gospel, even if i was rather nice about it.

But unlike the JWs, these were not clones, and actually listened, and had i to do it over again i would have taken more time to converse, though it was not a sunny day in a park (but "in season out of season").

Now a Christian can just be a nice person and act like the differences in our messages are no big thing, and i actually do not go around being contentious, though i contend with those who take a stand or otherwise promote a certain message (online mostly), but Truth is life, and eternity is at stake, and how can i be ambivalent of give an impression that a different gospel

When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. (Ezekiel 33:8)

219 posted on 04/04/2015 3:26:29 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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