Will you be celebrating Easter, as well as celebrating the Assumption of Mary into heaven bodily?

3/28/2015 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

[Elsie]

Seeing the same few people make the same arguments in dozens and dozens of threads over the months and years gets old.

I hear ya!

My ears itch sometimes to hear something NEW!

[Elsie]

He leaves out Mary though.

Then he's a heretic by definition!

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LOT's of people KNOW how important MARY is!

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Bernadine: …all gifts, all virtues, and all graces are dispensed by the hands of Mary to whomsoever, when, and as she pleases. O Lady, since thou art the dispenser of all graces, and since the grace of salvation can ONLY come through thy hands, OUR SALVATION DEPENDS ON THEE.

Bonaventure: …the gates of heaven will open to all who confide in the protection of Mary. Blessed are they who know thee, O Mother of God, for the knowledge of THEE is the high road to everlasting life, and the publication of thy virtues is the way of ETERNAL SALVATION . Give ear, O ye nations; and all you who desire heaven , serve, honor Mary, and certainly you will find ETERNAL LIFE.

Ephem: …devotion to the divine Mother…is the unlocking of the heavenly Jerusalem.

Blosius: To the, O Lady, are committed the KEYS and the treasures of the kingdom of Heaven.

Ambrose: …constantly pray ‘Open to us, O Mary, the gates of paradise, since thou hast its KEYS.

Fulgetius: …by Mary God descended from Heaven into the world, that by HER man might ascend from earth to Heaven.

Athanasius: …And, thou, O Lady, wast filled with grace, that thou mightiest be the way of our SALVATION and the means of ascent to the heavenly Kingdom.

Richard of Laurence: Mary, in fine, is the mistress of heaven; for there she commands as she wills, and ADMITS whom she wills.

Guerric: …he who serves Mary and for whom she intercedes, is as CERTAIN of heaven as if he were already there…and those who DO NOT serve Mary will NOT BE SAVED.

Anselm: It suffices, O Lady, that thou willest it, and our SALVATION is certain.

Antoninus: …souls protected by Mary, and on which she casts her eyes, are NECESSARILY JUSTIFIED AND SAVED.

[Elsie]

BTW - if you can't trust the Word of God, who or what can you trust?

AMEN!

(But remember; Rome put the book together; so you are REALLY trusting rome to be correct.

Why not go all the way and trust EVERYTHING she has done?

[Elsie]

We commemorate the Dormition (or Falling Asleep) of the Virgin Mary on August 15th.

Psalm 13:3
Look on me and answer, Lord my God. Give light to my eyes, or I will sleep in death,

 

Psalm 90:5
Yet you sweep people away in the sleep of death— they are like the new grass of the morning:

 

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
 
John 11:12-13
His disciples replied, “Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better.”
Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep.

 

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Listen, I tell you a mystery:

We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

 

Ephesians 5:14
This is why it is said: “Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

 

 
1 Thessalonians 4:13
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
 

[Elsie]

Maybe it was Jesus taking care of widows and orphans like James says is true religion.

 

 

 

 

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Micah 6:8

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

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John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?

 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

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1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

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James 1:27

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

 

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[Elsie]

It's on-topic -- Her continued 'good standing' with the Catholic church is a disgrace.

Just WHO is it that makes this JUDGment call?

[Elsie]

...been Roman Catholics and Christians...

Just a statement like BETWEEN Roman Catholics and Christians will start a fight!

[Elsie]

How can you be 100% certain of that......what happens if you're wrong???

Nothing.

Even Muslims get the Church's blessing...

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841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims.

"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

[Elsie]

Thanks for showing that ONLY the bible is needed!

[Elsie]

do you really suppose Christ would have said that and then allowed the Catholic church to speak in error on faith or morals?????

Do you think that GOD would ALLOW men like the list that I'll surely be producing in this thread; to actually LEAD the church HE started??

What's up with THAT!!??

[Elsie]

She is merely an obedient woman who answered God’s call.

Quit listening to ROME!!

She was NOT 'called' in the sense that she pondered it over and said YES!

She was TOLD what was going to happen and she said, "Let it be unto me as you say."

Today a young girl might say, "No WAY!? Really??"

Or...

"Dude! That's far out!"

or...

"Ya don't say..."

[Elsie]

Mary is not divine, nor is she sinless.

B ut she's FAST!!

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Let's try some easy math:

There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;

If merely 1% of them  'ask' Mary for help just once each day;

that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.

Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)

...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!

Purty good fer someone NOT 'divine'!

[Boiler Plate]

Yeah me too.

In a Catholic kind a of way.

[Boiler Plate]

Elise,
Do you agree with those quotes?
Warmest Regards,
Boiler

[Elsie]

No.

Mary’s dead.

She’ll be doing NOTHING until that Last Trump sounds.

She’s ‘dead in Christ’ - just as countless millions are.

[Boiler Plate]

Elise,
OK glad to hear that.

You seem to know quite a bit about this Mary obsession that some Catholics have. I doubt that 1% of Catholics are even aware of half what the church subscribes to.

Kindest Regards,
Boiler

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Concerning not being able to trace Oral Tradition back to its source - this is indeed quite true.

Indeed, Oral Tradition is ultimately grounded in circular reasoning, but Catholics still adhere to it:

Catholics say that truth was passes on by Oral Tradition even past the time (and through the centuries) beyond where Paul told Timothy to “hold fast to the traditions you have received.” When asked for proof of this they say that this truth was passed along and that they know it was passed along, and they know that it was passed along because this is what constitutes Oral Tradition —— and on and on in a circle.

Again, they have their way and so many have their own Bibles. And before now going way back there were so many confused Lists (The Clermont List which represented what was “canonical” in Alexandria in c.300 AD), fragments (the Muratorian fragment which represented what was “canonical” in Rome c.180 AD) and each of those (along with the earliest surviving Greek Manuscripts (Codex A, S and B) has books that neither Catholics, Protestants, Ethiopic Christians and others believe to be inspired scriptures.

Try and find something back then that wasn’t messed up and confused. The Early Church was a hodgepodge of beliefs and churches then basically held aloft their own scriptures in such a way as to say “Here are your scriptures.”

Nothing seems to have changed. So many different Bibles today just like back then when even before 180 A.D. churches all over the Roman Empire had books like the Revelation of Peter is more churches than you can imagine.

[Elsie]

You seem to know quite a bit about this Mary obsession that some Catholics have.

Everything I 'know' was found online.

Anyone can do it!

[Cyclops08]

All that prayer is wasted breath. Mary cannot hear them.

[Elsie]

So true.

An awful LOT of Scripture has to be ignored or explained away to get her into the position that Rome claims for her.