To: paladinan
Isn’t the title of Queen of the Universe deification?
To: sparklite2
Silly you. Just because she’s the “Queen of Heaven”, who has omniscience to hear all prayers to her made all over the world (even silently), and can get the Son of God to do what she wants, doesn’t mean she is deified.
/sarc
To: sparklite2; RaceBannon; knarf
Isnt the title of Queen of the Universe deification?
"Queen of Heaven" is her more common title (though some scattered devotional materials might call her "Queen of the Universe"). But: you'll have to explain how that's "deification" (apart from a reader's mere emotional reaction to the title).
If someone had said "GODDESS of the Universe", then you'd have a clear-cut case. But Queen? Mary is the Queen-Mother (Hebrew: gebirah) of the King of Kings... and she doesn't need to be "deified" in order to have the authority which God bestowed upon her. (Compare how the Davidic King Solomon treated his mother: he had a throne placed at his right hand for her, he bowed down to her, and he would not refuse her what she asked [1 Kings 2:19-20]).
And as for the idea of Jesus "rebuking" His mother... don't be silly! First of all, that would have been a violation of the commandment to "honor His mother"; second, the title of "woman" is one of great respect, and it indicates her unique role as the New Eve (compare to Genesis 3:15... the seed of the Woman is now speaking to the Woman; John 19:26, Mary as the mother of the beloved disciple, who represents us all; Revelation 11:19-12:17, the woman clothed with the sun, the mother of Jesus and the mother of all Christians). Do you honestly think that Mary was not INCLUDED (and especially so) in Jesus' description of "those who do the Will of the Father"? And do you honestly think that Jesus would have AGREED to Mary's request (cf. the Wedding at Cana) if it had been so wrong/outrageous as to merit a "rebuke" (much less produce over 100 *gallons* of choice wine--an overabundance!)?
I'd gently caution against people living out an agenda so as to see "rebukes" where there are none.
...and re: the idea that the Blessed Virgin was somehow "artificially constructed" so as to allow celibate men to "cope"... well... with all due respect: anyone who says that is speaking from utter ignorance of how celibacy actually works.
17 posted on
03/23/2015 2:51:33 PM PDT by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: sparklite2; paladinan
"Isnt the title of Queen of the Universe deification?" No. No more than the Prom Queen can be said to have the power to legislate for your high school, or that coronation of the Erie County Strawberry Queen shows that Erie County is a monarchy.
You have to discern what kind of queen you're talking about.
In the case of Mary, it's strictly a relational thing: Christ her Son is King of Kings; that makes her Queen Mother by relationship alone. It does not indicate personal sovereignty.
It corresponds to an outstanding Biblical image:
"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head."
35 posted on
03/23/2015 3:16:46 PM PDT by
Mrs. Don-o
(Seriously.)
To: sparklite2
Isnt the title of Queen of the Universe deification? It would seem so. Or how about having more titles and names than God?
123 posted on
03/24/2015 5:41:48 AM PDT by
DungeonMaster
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