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To: Mrs. Don-o
I could pray to YOU, iscool, to intercede for me for salvation and grace, help and healing. Intercession is all that’s implied, and intercession is not a function of personal sovereignty.

Mrs. Don-o...We have all posted far to many times prayers to Mary from Catholic sites where the prayers to Mary are NOT for intercession, but for the divine services that only God can provide...

We have posted what John Paul 11 prayed to Mary, that she saved his life, that he gives his entire life to Mary...

The only thing that seems to be implied is, for example, when you pray to one of your saints to find your car keys is that the presumed connection between the saint and Jesus automatically gives that saint Godly attributes...

217 posted on 03/24/2015 12:10:44 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

This intercession stuff is ridiculous, Jesus does not need the help of mortals - especially dead ones


218 posted on 03/24/2015 12:12:18 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Iscool
"The only thing that seems to be implied is, for example, when you pray to one of your saints to find your car keys is that the presumed connection between the saint and Jesus automatically gives that saint Godly attributes."

It's good you brought up the question of "implicit" meaning, and connections which are "presumed," because to the Catholic, the implicit meaning is "intercession" and the presumed connection is "prayer within the Communion of Saints," the Body of Christ of which Christ is always Head, whether or not that is stated.

We must, in fact, depend upon Paul's teaching about the Body of Christ as the one meaning-controlling context which defines the whole process of intercessory prayer. Once you have that firmly in mind, the rest follows automatically.

Notice how Paul says,
(1 Corinthians 12:21)
"The eye cannot say to the hand, 'I don’t need you!' And the head cannot say to the feet, 'I don’t need you!'"

We all need each other because we have all been placed where we are --- in ongoing, continuous, vital connection with each other --- by the Lord.

This is the governing reality of it, this Mystical Body of Christ, this blessed Communion of Saints.

There is a constant sharing of spiritual goods; as cells, tissues, organs, systems, limbs and senses we are all joined in the Body of Christ; at no point can we say "I have no connection with you; we don't communicate; I don't need you."

And a person doesn't lose the ability to intercede, or cease to be a member of the Communion of Saints once they enter heaven!

224 posted on 03/24/2015 12:50:39 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic information)
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