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To: ealgeone; 9thLife; CynicalBear; Salvation; NYer
>>>The key to all of this is allowing the Word to interpret the Word. Understanding the Greek also helps.<<<

The capacity to learn, as with the Greek, is a gift from God and ought not to be lorded (no pun intended) over others, not taken for granted. I rely on the Teaching authority, the Magisterium of the Church for interpretation. I am not too proud to admit if i don't know something, and many holier people, more scholarly people, and better human beings than I have done the interpretation for me. I have the advantage of the fruits of their labor.

It is worth noting that the Jews did not rely solely on the Torah, but on oral tradition as well during the time of the Second Temple, during which Jesus lived.

Teachings of the Rabbis

...Nevertheless, Jews sought to determine from the Torah all of the details of a complete legal system. As tradition describes it, from the time of the very giving of the written Torah, Moses already had received a companion Torah she'b'al peh (oral Torah), which he proceeded to teach to the people of Israel during their travels in the desert. It is clear that from the very beginning, Jews needed additional authoritative law, or halakhah ("going," or "path"), to govern regular life. These halakhot (plural) were passed on through the generations, and during the period of the Second Temple (fifth century BCE-first century C.E.), halakhot, both those developed through custom and those derived from interpretation of the Torah, were collected and transmitted. Following the destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E., the earliest rabbis gathered and transmitted the laws learned from earlier sages.

...Everywhere and throughout the Talmud, the rabbis worked with several basic assumptions. Given a controversy between two early sages, the goal was not to determine according to whom was the practical law; the goals was to make sense of each opinion. This underlying assumption that opinions are not simply fickle choices but the rational decisions of sages confronting differing ways of describing legal reality, is the hallmark of the Talmudic process.

Also worthy of note is that the Rabbis were the one considered the wisest, most learned, and holiest- NOT ORDINARY MEN. By the time the oral tradition was written, one of these was the great Gamaliel, personal mentor of Saul of Tarsus- later to become St. Paul.

Thus, in their practice of Judaism, neither Jesus Himself nor St. Paul were instructed only through the written Torah, but Jewish Sacred Tradition, as well. Not sola scriptura.

89 posted on 03/23/2015 6:33:18 AM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: Grateful2God; ealgeone; 9thLife; Salvation; NYer

Catholics simply need to prove from an infallible source that what the Catholic Church refers to as “tradition” is exactly what the apostles called “tradition”. Do that and your premise will have been proven. Can you do that for us?


90 posted on 03/23/2015 6:58:19 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Grateful2God
>>>The key to all of this is allowing the Word to interpret the Word. Understanding the Greek also helps.<<<

The capacity to learn, as with the Greek, is a gift from God and ought not to be lorded (no pun intended) over others, not taken for granted. I rely on the Teaching authority, the Magisterium of the Church for interpretation.

Unfortunately the teaching authority is not relying upon the Greek. The Greek helps clarify a lot of the issues people debate. For example, the catholic teaching on the perpetual virginity of mary goes out the window when the texts are evaluated using Greek. I think this is why the catholic church downplays using Greek.

The security of the believer comes through in the Greek as well. Ephesians 1:13-14 really shows this in Greek.

There isn't an attempt to lord it over anyone, at least that's not the intent, but rather to help explain the meaning of the texts.

I am not too proud to admit if i don't know something, and many holier people, more scholarly people, and better human beings than I have done the interpretation for me. I have the advantage of the fruits of their labor.

Yes we do have people who've done a lot of research, but there isn't anything that precludes us from checking what they've done and comparing it to Scripture to see if it measures up.

It is worth noting that the Jews did not rely solely on the Torah, but on oral tradition as well during the time of the Second Temple, during which Jesus lived.

You will also recall that Jesus trashed their tradition on a number of occasions.

When catholics rely upon tradition, they claim it doesn't contradict Scripture. However, this is not true. Again, the concept of Mary's perpetual virginity contradicts Scripture....yet it's catholic tradition. So someone is wrong in the understanding. I think part of this is that catholicism has built so much around mary they can't back off now and admit they're wrong. It would destroy the roman catholic church.

Read 2 Thes 3 and see what you think the tradition is Paul is talking about.

91 posted on 03/23/2015 7:35:54 AM PDT by ealgeone
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