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To: CynicalBear
You want reasonable objection to the "church".

There is none. You're simply rendering an opinion. Are you too blind to see that?

You know what goes on in this man's heart? You know even less about about Catholic doctrine.

47 posted on 03/22/2015 6:02:02 AM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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To: 9thLife
>>There is none. You're simply rendering an opinion.<<

My opinion? I think not.

The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.[Cardinal Newman - Development of Christian Doctrine, pg 373] And you didn't think the Catholic Church incorporates paganism?

49 posted on 03/22/2015 6:12:23 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: 9thLife; CynicalBear
>You want reasonable objection to the "church".<

There is none. You're simply rendering an opinion. Are you too blind to see that? You know what goes on in this man's heart? You know even less about about Catholic doctrine.

A reasonable objection to the teaching on Mary being a perpetual virgin.

In the Greek, Luke uses the phrase τὸν υἱὸν αὐτῆς τὸν πρωτότοκον, translated literally as the son of her, the firstborn. In English we would say, her firstborn son.

The key word in this section is πρωτότοκον (prototokos). It means first, pre-eminent; the first among others. It allows for other children to be born to Mary.

Contrast this with John 3:16 where John uses the Greek Υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ, literally Son the only begotten.

The key word is μονογενῆ (monogenes). It means one and only; one of a class.

We know this is the correct description of Jesus as He is the only Son of God.

However, He is not the only son of Mary. Recall that Luke was a physician who by his own account researched a lot so we would have an accurate account of what happened.

If Luke wanted to indicate Mary had only one child he would have used the phrase John did.

In reading the accounts where the brothers and sisters of Jesus are mentioned we need to keep the verses in context.

We have the account of Paul in Galatians where he noted he met James, the Lord's brother among others.

These are not cousins of Jesus as the word cousin, ἀνεψιός, is used only in reference to Barnabas's cousin Mark. As Paul had traveled with Barnabas so he would know if he was a cousin or a brother or other relative.

The key to all of this is allowing the Word to interpret the Word. Understanding the Greek also helps.

60 posted on 03/22/2015 9:27:48 AM PDT by ealgeone
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