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Pope Francis: no crime ever deserves the death penalty
Vatican Radio ^ | 3/20/2015 | Vatican Radio

Posted on 03/20/2015 1:12:26 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: Jonty30
The Pope is a leftist agitator.

The Pontiff is, sadly, showing his DemonRAT colors. I believe his background is from a country steeped in a fascist/communist political philosophy. On the other hand, the anti-Catholic lamestream media is possibly taking his words out of context or perhaps wrongly translating them. If so, I retract my statement about the DemonRAT/fascist/communist tendencies of the Pope.

61 posted on 03/20/2015 2:42:34 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: Jonty30
The Pope is a leftist agitator. Eliminating the death penalty in the States has been a leftist cause. He is talking about the States.

That's why he wrote it in Spanish and penned how it was a tool for political oppression. A huge problem here... Or maybe a huge problem in South American countries where Spanish is the primary language. Something like that... Quick, someone check and see if the Pope has a hotline to Hillary!

62 posted on 03/20/2015 2:55:23 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Tzfat; All
"Hmm, a Pope who hasn’t read the Bible. Somehow I think that is not a first."

The Pope’s remark bings Mark 7:7-9 to mind.

63 posted on 03/20/2015 2:55:31 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: ebb tide

Francis,

Sit down and shut up.

L


64 posted on 03/20/2015 2:56:13 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: kingu

Then I’m glad he’s just being misunderstood, for the 55th time.

How many times must he be misunderstood before we come to a conclusion that he just might be meaning what he is saying?


65 posted on 03/20/2015 3:13:39 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ebb tide

Real repentance does not remove the punishment that must be imposed. If I’m really sorry for taking a tv, I would be more than happy, if I’m really repentant, of replacing that tv with a better one or giving the money of what a better tv would cost.

I would not seek to try and escape my obligation of replacing the tv.


66 posted on 03/20/2015 3:18:15 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ebb tide

suggest the holy man solve the root cause problem.....not the legal recourse....


67 posted on 03/20/2015 3:19:25 PM PDT by zzwhale
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To: ebb tide
I guess this dumbass fraud of a pope just ignores portions of the bible that he disagrees with.
68 posted on 03/20/2015 3:34:21 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: ebb tide

Oh, shut yer pie hole, papa.


69 posted on 03/20/2015 3:44:41 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The greatest danger facing our world: the marriage of militant Islam with nuclear weapons.-Netanyahu)
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To: FewsOrange
13 Thou shalt not kill.

English translation. In the original Hebrew, the word was "murder." Different connotation.

70 posted on 03/20/2015 3:45:39 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The greatest danger facing our world: the marriage of militant Islam with nuclear weapons.-Netanyahu)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

There’s no Catholic doctrine on the death penalty, so Catholics are free to have whatever opinion they want on it. This is only Pope Francis’ opinion.


71 posted on 03/20/2015 3:54:00 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016!)
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To: BlessedBeGod

What penalty do you give the lifer in prison who murders another prisoner (not uncommon in prison life)?

Or a guard?

What penalty can you hold over his head to prevent that?

What penalty if a gang member in prison for life, orders the murder of someone outside?

What penalty can you hold over his head to prevent that?


72 posted on 03/20/2015 4:03:16 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: ebb tide

I have some reservations about capital punishment. But none of them are theological. The Pope is clearly wrong here.


73 posted on 03/20/2015 4:03:55 PM PDT by NRx
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To: BykrBayb
According to Pope Francis: no crime ever deserves the death penalty.

Pope Francis is a dissident of the teachings and Magisterium of the Church. His first step as Pope was to legitimize the Marxist liberation theology, a perversion of the Gospels proscribed by His Holiness John Paul II, and Pope Benedict XVI following the precedent s of repudiation of that diabolical ideology set by all the Popes since the end of the XIX century.

The position of the Church on the death penalty is also clear including the legitimization of the tyrannicide. St. Thomas Aquinas gave the most substantial argument for tyrannicide. He based his position on his arguments for just war and capital punishment. St. Thomas concluded, "He who kills a tyrant (i.e. an usurper) to free his country is praised and rewarded" (In 2 Sentences, 44.2.2).

Certainly, a Pope that gave moral support for president Obama to keep a float the Cuban tyrants would not “praise and reward” a patriot who would ultimate the genocides of the Cuban people.

To delve deeper on this matter:

Does the Church Condone Tyrannicide?

FR. WILLIAM SAUNDERS

http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/does-the-church-condone-tyrannicide.html

74 posted on 03/20/2015 4:23:48 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: ebb tide

Imagine a pope ignorant of the Cachecism of the Catholic Church. That’s Francis in a nutshell. Sad.


75 posted on 03/20/2015 4:31:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: thackney
Bad Translation of “shall not murder”

That is correct. Murder and rape. God wants us to send them to Him.

76 posted on 03/20/2015 4:43:45 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The pope’s statement is a prudential judgment, so it doesn’t rise to the level of infallibility.

I wouldn't even call it a "prudential" judgement.

77 posted on 03/20/2015 5:29:13 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Karl Spooner

More than just those:

Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 24:17,21
Exodus 21:15,17
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Exodus 21:16
Exodus 21:28-29
Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27, Deuteronomy 13:5, 1 Samuel 28:9
Leviticus 20:2-5
Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:16
Exodus 31:14, 35:2, Numbers 15:32-36
Leviticus 18:6-18, 20:11-12,14,17,19-21
Leviticus 20:10; Deuteronomy 22:22
Leviticus 20:13
Leviticus 21:9
Leviticus 24:14,16, 23
Deuteronomy 18:20
Deuteronomy 19:16-19
Deuteronomy 17:12
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
Deuteronomy 22:23-24


78 posted on 03/20/2015 6:14:17 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ebb tide

I oppose the death penalty, but exceptions must be made for men who kill other prisoners and the Ted Bundys’ of this world.


79 posted on 03/20/2015 7:34:57 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: ebb tide

If Christ is against the death penalty then why did He pay it for us instead of declaring it unjust?


80 posted on 03/20/2015 7:38:42 PM PDT by Mom MD
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