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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I don’t question my faith not at all.

I question some of the Church’s misguided policies regarding compulsory clerical celibacy. A policy enacted by the First Lateran Council in 1123-—centuries after the founding of the Church.

I just proved beyond a shadow of ANY doubt that clerical marriage is permissible-—directly from St. Paul.

Excuse me. This is questioning your faith. I don't mean it so sound like anything nefarious. You don't recognize the authority of the Church to govern the faithful. As a Catholic, it should be incumbent upon you to learn what you are missing.

309 posted on 03/19/2015 12:56:17 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
As a Catholic, it should be incumbent upon you to learn what you are missing.

FRoman Catholics espouse different positions on different RCC teachings. What makes your individual belief better (more accurate) than another RC FReeper's?
311 posted on 03/19/2015 12:59:07 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: pgyanke

Excuse me. No!

When you say questioning my faith-—that sounds as if I question God or Jesus or what is written in the Bible, especially the Gospels and the Bible. I don’t question any of that. I think you can belong to an organization such a church and you don’t have to agree with absolutely every last policy. I’m a lifelong Republican, but that doesn’t mean I march in lockstep with every whim of the Party leadership. Ditto with the Church. BTW-—no less than Pope Francis himself is on record stating that compulsory clerical celibacy is a discipline of the Church, not a dogma or doctrine of the Church and has further stated that the policy is always subject change. So if you are going to excommunicate me, excommunicate the Pope because I think he is absolutely correct in his analysis of this policy.

Further, I stated in FULL CONTEXT the qualifications required for service in the priesthood by no less than St. Paul himself. So I’m the one in agreement with Pope Francis and St. Paul-—and I am branded questioning my faith.


319 posted on 03/19/2015 1:06:26 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: pgyanke; Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; ...
Excuse me. This is questioning your faith. I don't mean it so sound like anything nefarious. You don't recognize the authority of the Church to govern the faithful. As a Catholic, it should be incumbent upon you to learn what you are missing.

And so now we see the real basis for RC doctrine, for while they may attempt to provide a semblance of Scriptural substantiation for their traditions, when that is refuted then the recourse in so many words is to "the church have you the Bible, therefore you cannot be right, and you need to submit to it," a logic which has a quite interesting end when followed.

While to a Cath comes the retort, "You don't recognize the authority of the Church to govern the faithful." Translated, a faithful RC is not to ascertain the veracity of RC teaching by examination of evidences (for that reason). For to do so would be to doubt the claims of Rome to be the assuredly infallible magisterium by which a RC obtains assurance of Truth.

"It follows that the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock...the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors." - VEHEMENTER NOS, an Encyclical of Pope Pius X promulgated on February 11, 1906. Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4783 | View Replies

So should TBEL be a good cultist and get in line or seek to like be like a Berean?

416 posted on 03/19/2015 6:20:44 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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