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Three Words Catholics Do Not Understand
Proclaiming the Gospel ^
| March 18,2015
| Mike Gendron
Posted on 03/18/2015 6:21:18 AM PDT by RnMomof7
1/14/2015 8:04:57 AM
Three Words Catholics Do Not Understand
It Is Finished - Three Words Catholics Do Not Understand
The perfect, all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ that satisfied divine justice for all believers was accomplished 2000 years ago. Jesus cried out in victory - "It is finished." The work of salvation is done. The eternal debt for sin has been paid in full. No more offerings, no more sacrifices, no more priests! The Lord Jesus willingly died for mans sins to pay the debt that we could never pay. He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness: by His wounds you have been healed" (1 Peter 2:24). Yet Catholics instead choose to trust in the sacrifice of the Mass, a blasphemous representation of a eucharistic Christ on an altar. They would rather trust the Sacrifice of the Mass as a sin offering to God rather than trusting in the one-time, all-sufficient, sacrifice of Christ.
Jesus appeared to take away sins once for all" by His sacrifice" (Hebrews 9:26). Through His blood God made Him the means of expiation (of sin) for all who believe" (Romans 3:25). Vatican II denies these sacred Scriptures by teaching: Sins must be expiated...on this earth through the sorrows, miseries and trials of this life and, a above all, through death. Otherwise the expiation must be made in the next life through fire and torments or purifying punishments (Vatican Council II). What a terrible deception to impose on faithful Roman Catholics who look to their church for the truth! The very reason and purpose Christ became man and suffered such an excruciating death was to expiate sin, once and for all, by His perfect sacrifice. How can any church, which claims to follow Christ, withhold this truth from its people and create in its place doctrines that nullify the Savior's finished work?
Roman Catholic teachings also nullify another accomplishment of Christ, the purification of sins. The writer of the book of Hebrews declared that "when He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" (Heb. 1:3). The apostle John also proclaimed that those who trust Christ are purified from all sin, by His blood (1 John 1:7). Vatican Council II states that purgatory is where "those
who have not made satisfaction with adequate penance for their sins and omissions are cleansed after death with punishments designed to purge away their debt. Jesus reconciled the world to God, changing its relationship with God from hostility to harmony. The sinner is reconciled to God when he trusts in Christ as his Savior. "It is in Christ and through His blood that we have been redeemed and our sins are forgiven" (Eph. 1:7). Being reconciled to God is difficult for Catholics to comprehend, for they have been taught the only way to made peace with God is through a life long journey of works--receiving the sacraments, going to Mass and doing penance. The only response to the accomplishments of Christ that will reconcile anyone to God is repentance and faith.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: cross; expiation; purification; salvation
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To: editor-surveyor; D-fendr
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end (télos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5056 télos (a neuter noun) properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.
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posted on
03/19/2015 9:53:19 AM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: CynicalBear
“...to everyone that believes.”
Not to everyone who joins a cult.
To: Resettozero
If scripture alone were entirely sufficient...which It isThat doctrine is not in Holy Scripture, so it fails its own test.
It's also not possible in practice of determining doctrine. You take the place of the Church in determining doctrine on your own authority or according to your own tradition.
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posted on
03/19/2015 9:58:16 AM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: D-fendr
You take the place of the Church in determining doctrine on your own authority or according to your own tradition.
Since I perceive you mean only the Roman Catholic "Church", you are correct. It's my decision to make and I've made it. I trust in The Lord Jesus Christ alone and not in men who I do not and never did know.
To: verga
Well, if that’s the case, a lot of other Knights will have to be purged along with me. Have fun enforcing theological correctness. If ever you are interested, we can discuss some of these issues one at a time. Although I’m not a fan of the current Pope, he is in agreement with much of my thinking on compulsory clerical celibacy. Have him excommunicated too while you’re at it. Have fun.
To: Resettozero
not in men who I do not and never did know.Just yourself. You determine doctrine on your own authority or according to your own tradition.
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posted on
03/19/2015 10:08:00 AM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: Resettozero
“That is another way to look at your cult.” - Resettozero
“I only attack statements and beliefs of the Catholicism.” - CynicalBear
“Not to everyone who joins a cult.” - Resettozero
This thread has descended in the profane. There is no conversation here, only attack. No thank you. Good day.
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posted on
03/19/2015 10:10:11 AM PDT
by
pgyanke
(Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
To: D-fendr
Just yourself. You determine doctrine on your own authority or according to your own tradition.
Based on the Holy Bible alone, led by the Holy Spirit, yes. Furthermore, many other non-RCs agree with this method of understanding what God has really said.
To: pgyanke
To: pgyanke
Thanks for your kind words and your referral to some of these authors. I deeply appreciate it. However, I think it would be nice if some individuals including yourself could make the supporting arguments for various doctrines, practices, and beliefs yourselves. I have read many books on Church History, religion, theology, etc. from both Catholic and non-Catholic authors alike. If you study the Church’s policy of compulsory clerical celibacy for example, you will see that the policy was not always in place and it took the Church many centuries to implement and institutionalize it. You will also note there is no requirement for compulsory clerical celibacy in the Bible, and quite to the contrary, priest were married men in the Bible and they were expected to be married. Fact is Church policies, rules, regulations, dogma, doctrines, discipline, rituals, and liturgy are always subject to change and modification. Look no further than Vatican II for proof of that. It doesn’t matter whether you agree with Vatican II or not. Fact remains the Church adopted and implemented and significantly changed a number of its rules and policies. The Bible always remains the word of God, but Church policies are always subject to change.
To: pgyanke
BTW, you quoted me incorrectly.
To: Flying Circus
“When a man chooses to take the calling of the priesthood he is aware of what he is giving up.”
Says who?
According to St. Paul:
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach.”
1 Timothy 3:2
These are Paul’s requirements for service in the clergy. Works for me!
To: D-fendr
>>Because Scripture is sufficient of itself to be the final authority of Christian doctrine is not in Holy Scripture.<<
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
And yet you can't give any other infallible source for what the apostles taught.
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posted on
03/19/2015 10:25:57 AM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: Resettozero
>>Not to everyone who joins a cult.<<
Sadly.
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posted on
03/19/2015 10:29:58 AM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
If you study the Churchs policy of compulsory clerical celibacy for example, you will see that the policy was not always in place and it took the Church many centuries to implement and institutionalize it. If you look at the history behind it, you can understand why the Church took this rule. It was a good one that answered an even bigger problem. Again, this is a rule and a discipline, not a doctrine.
Ultimately, this conversation comes down to authority. Who has it? How is it exercised? Jesus is the Son of David as well as the Son of God. He sits on the Throne of David or else God's promise to David was not fulfilled. Around Him are His ministers for the administration of His Kingdom. Among them is the Prime Minister who bears the authority of the King that what he binds is bound and what he looses is loosed. This authority is explained in Isaiah 22 and echoed in Matt 16 to St Peter.
If the Church has the authority of binding and loosing and we are members of the Kingdom of God, then there is real authority for administration of the Kingdom. As you said, some rules have changed. If there is authority at all, there is authority to change rules and rituals. Where the Church has been absolutely consistent is in doctrine and dogma. These have never changed and only developed as the Church has heard the inspiration of the Spirit.
I offer some previous posts for more on the subject of Church authority:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2746890/posts?page=114#114
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2747272/posts?page=114#114
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2999692/posts?page=153#153
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2853144/posts?page=71#71
God bless you.
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posted on
03/19/2015 10:36:36 AM PDT
by
pgyanke
(Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
To: CynicalBear
Sorry, Scripture is sufficient of itself to be the final authority of Christian doctrine is not in the verses you posted.
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posted on
03/19/2015 10:40:51 AM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: pgyanke
I say look no further than St. Paul:
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach.”
1 Timothy 3:2
This works. I agree with it. Why change it?
To: D-fendr
Sorry, Scripture is sufficient of itself to be the final authority of Christian doctrine is not in the verses you posted.
Neither are the words "Roman Catholicism is the one true Christianity to the exclusion of all other believers in Lord Jesus Christ alone as Savior."
So, what are you sorry for?
To: Resettozero
Based on the Holy Bible alone, led by the Holy Spirit,..According to you on your authority.
many other non-RCs agree with this method
True. Does your doctrine derived by the same method agree with theirs? Is yours in agreement with Calvinists? On how many points? Or, contrarily, does yours agree with Arminianism? Does yours agree with the sola scriptura Baptist on paedobaptism or with the sola scriptura Lutherans?
Or is your sola scriptura doctrine uniquely your own?
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posted on
03/19/2015 10:45:33 AM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: D-fendr
True. Does your doctrine derived by the same method agree with theirs? Is yours in agreement with Calvinists? On how many points? Or, contrarily, does yours agree with Arminianism? Does yours agree with the sola scriptura Baptist on paedobaptism or with the sola scriptura Lutherans? Or is your sola scriptura doctrine uniquely your own?
Tell you what:
I'll worry about that.
You, equally as an American, are free to pursue whatever religion you want.
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