Posted on 03/13/2015 12:40:51 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
1.) The King James Bible and/or Protestant Bible contains 39 Old Testament books and 27 New Testament books.
Roman Catholics include all of these books within their sacred canon, with the addition of other books not included within the Protestant Canon.
The Coptic Bible contains more books than all of the aforementioned (including the 27/39) and books that Roman Catholics believe to be canonical - and some other books.
2.) The First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD issued the Nicene Creed, adhered to by almost all Christians (Roman Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Protestants and Coptics) with the exception of a few Protestant denominations. St. Jerome noted in his writings that the Book of Judith was considered (at the First Council of Nicaea) to be "sacred scripture."
The principal argument used against deuterocanonical books is that supposedly neither Jesus nor the Apostles quoted from them. If this is indeed true, then a counter argument is that neither Ezra, Nehemiah or Esther were quoted from.
It has been posited that to quote from one book in a set ("history": Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther or "poetry": Ecclesiastes or Song of Solomon) validates the entire set. But this counter argument used against Roman Catholics, Coptics and Greek Orthodox is grounded in conflation and extrapolation and opens up the door to 3:
3.) If Jude quoted from the Book of Enoch (Jude 1:14) and the Assumption of Moses (Jude 19), then to quote one verse from those books would validate the whole of both books.
4.) Some argue that we need to look to the "Deluxe" sets (Codex Alexandrinus, Sinaiticus and Vaticanus) --- the oldest surviving Greek Manuscripts available --- to determine what books are or are not canonical. The problem with this is that each codex contains at least one book that neither Protestants nor Catholics believe to be Canonical and secondly, until the discovery made by Tischendorf and others of these codices. the long ending of Mark (Mark 16:9-20) was believed for over 1000 years to be valid. But none of theses codices contains the long ending while both the long and short ending can be found among Greek fragments.
So which of the aforementioned Bibles do you believe to be the "true" Bible?
who said there is another covenant coming from God?
that would be somebody named cynicalbear in post #77:
“And that will be an eternal covenant He makes with Israel at that time”
will be? at that time?
who said the new covenant is incomplete?
that again would be somebody named cynicalbear, only this time post #95.
your account must be hacked by a real heretic, I would notify your internet provider immediately!
Um......that was God not me.
>>that again would be somebody named cynicalbear, only this time post #95.<<
Re-read 95 again. That was the Old Covenant not complete. Do you always struggle with reading comprehension?
That was the Old Covenant not complete
read Hebrews 8:13, the old covenant is obsolete, replaced by the promised new eternal covenant in the blood of Jesus.
there is no other covenant coming. God sent His Son, you are either in the new covenant or you are lost.
doesn’t matter if you are Jewish, Irish, Russian, African or Chinese.
If you think that the Old Covenant is complete then tell me when the last seven years of the 490 years promised to Israel happened.
If you think that the Old Covenant
what I think is worth squat, Hebrews 8 tells you the old covenant is OBSOLETE. i.e. finished, gone, nailed to the cross.
anyone who really understands who “Israel” is, wouldn’t ask such a question.
That covenant will be made with the nation of Israel after that time". That means after the tribulation.
Hebrews 8:8 ..“The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah......10This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord.
Hebrews 8 is quoting Jeremiah 31. Read Jeremiah 30-31 and you will see the promises of God to bring the people of Israel back to their land and establish a new covenant with them. That gathering back to the land of Israel is happening right now.
The "church" has NOT superseded Israel.
umm, how do I say this?
Jeremiah 30-31 speak of Jesus Christ and His establishing the new covenant and victory over sin and death at the cross.
The Church is the Israel of God, it can’t supersede itself.
In Israel, there is neither Jew nor Greek, we are all ONE in Christ.
No it is not. Never has been and never will be.
>>In Israel, there is neither Jew nor Greek,<<
In the ekklesia of Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek. The nation of Israel is made up of the 12 tribes and not to be confused with the ekklesia.
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