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To: Colofornian
I agree with J.I. Packer, who wrote in 1987 that all explanations positing a distinction between baptizing with water and the Holy Spirit "are on the wrong track."

I likely would not agree with J.I. Packer since I am not Reformed of anything...

He said that "water" and "The Spirit" are two aspects of the same ONE reality: That God's renewal of the fallen and unresponsive human heart is regenerated by the purifying and energizing components -- just as they were set forth in God's promise to renew the Israelite hearts in Ezekiel 36:25-27:

There are no purifying and energizing components in water...

167 posted on 03/06/2015 3:44:18 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool; All
There are no purifying and energizing components in water...

And I'm not claiming anybody finds that there are, other than the obvious, yes, water physically cleanses a person...

May I remind you that "there's no purifying and energizing components in mud/spittle, either" -- yet the Living Word spoken through seemed to do wonders for a man to see.

So now what? Treatises, threads & posts from people militating versus the mud Jesus used to heal a man?

The mud is no different -- a similar common element -- than what we find in Ephesians 5:25-26:

...Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word...

If you have a problem with Jesus choosing to use either mud or water, take it up with Him.

170 posted on 03/06/2015 4:45:47 AM PST by Colofornian
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