Posted on 03/05/2015 2:28:53 AM PST by RaceBannon
And yet, if YOU really followed what Paul did you would be taking vows, shaving heads offering Temple sacrifices.
In fact, JAMES, whom so many of you seem to grasp like a straw talked PAUL into taking some men to the Temple and “be at charges with them” (Pay for their animal sacrifices)
ACTS 21:
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto JAMES; and all the elders were present.
Acts 21:24
Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
Paul got a free trip to ROME out of that escapade!
Didn't you read the verse? Baptism is the antitype.
1 Peter 3:21 also to which an antitype doth now save us -- baptism, (not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the question of a good conscience in regard to God,) through the rising again of Jesus Christ,
Yes, baptism is the antitype which saves us.
See, that’s not hard to understand, is it?
I think you need to study what the word antitype means. It's not the baptism that saves us.
Paul showed you...We posted the scripture...John the Baptist baptized with water...That wasn't sufficient for the church age...Some of those same people were baptized with the Holy Ghost, where there was no water involved...
Paul disagrees with you: "with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Rom. 10:10)
That's not confession to Jesus...That's confession OF Jesus...
Repentance is belief.
Where did you read THAT in the Bible?
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
μετανοέω
metanoeō
met-an-o-eh'-o
From G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): - repent.
Repent is a change of mind, not a change of action...The change in mind might ultimately lead to a change in action...Turn from the world...Turn to Jesus...Trust in Jesus...
Do you believe I Peter 3:21?
But it's not water baptism...It is the Spiritual baptism he's referring to...It is the 'belief' (the answer of a good conscience toward God) which results in the indwelling of the Holy Ghost...That's the baptism that saves us...
Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
If you don’t want to believe Peter, then don’t.
Because John baptized with water and Jesus baptizes with the Holy Ghost...
Some people received the Holy Ghost without water baptism by repenting (believing on Jesus)...And of course some were baptized with water and did not receive the Holy Ghost...Showing that water has nothing to do with receiving the Holy Ghost...
Oh, I believe what Peter wrote. I just don't believe the wrong interpretation the Catholic Church and others try to inject.
You’ve got a different version than the Bible has in Acts 8 and 19. That’s how you end up with more baptisms than Paul says there are.
Paul did just as Christ commanded all of us to do....!
“The Great Commission
In Galilee (Matthew 28:16-20; Mark 16:15-18)
While in Galilee, the eleven apostles met with Jesus on a mountain where Jesus as previously told them to go. The eleven worshiped him, but even at this late time, Matthew mentions that some still had doubts. A few commentators wonder if this meeting was attended by more than just the eleven and might have been the meeting of 500 mentioned in I Corinthians 15:6. If so, they then explain the doubters as being among the 500 disciples. More likely, however, is the mentioning of their doubts is to let us know that these were honest men who were not easily pull into a false scheme. That they had become convinced by the day of Pentecost shows the strength of the evidence that they witnessed.
Jesus declared that all authority has now been given to him, both on earth and in heaven; thus fulfilling Psalms 8:6 and Daniel 7:13-14. Paul also talks about Jesus authority in I Corinthians 15:27-28, Ephesians 1:20-23, and Philippians 2:9-11. This isnt limited authority, but absolute and complete authority over all the works of God.
From that position of authority, Jesus commissions the disciples to do the task he had been preparing them to accomplish. They were to go into all the world and make disciples of Jesus from all the nations (Isaiah 52:10; Romans 10:18; Colossians 1:23). This would be done by baptizing them with the authority of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit the full authority of the entire Godhead. Such an absolute command based on such authority ought to make everyone wonder why some declare baptize to be unnecessary. A person who believes and is baptized two equal conditions to be met would be saved, but a failure in just one, such as a lack of belief would result in condemnation.
Signs would be given to these disciples so that those hearing them would see evidence that their teaching was from God. With Jesus authority they would be able to cast out demons (Acts 16:16-18), speak in new languages (Acts 2:4), can survive handling serpents (Acts 28:3-6), wont be poisoned, and heal those who are sick (Acts 5:15-16).
These new disciples are then to be taught all the things that Jesus had taught them. One Christian passing on his knowledge to the next generation of Christians (II Timothy 2:2). The emphasis is on what Jesus taught and not on what the disciples thought. It isnt teaching for knowledge alone, but instructions in how to live in accordance to those teachings (James 1:22-25).
Jesus promises all his disciples, not just the ones with him then, but also those who would come after them, that he would be with them throughout the rest of earths history (Isaiah 43:2; Matthew 18:20; Revelation 1:18).
In Jerusalem (Luke 24:44-49)
While many similar themes are touched upon in Lukes account as those found in Matthew and Mark, there is enough differences to cause one to believe this took place at another time and location. Verse 49 leads us to conclude that this event took place in Jerusalem. Whether it took place before or after his appearance in Galilee is not easily determined. But, it also doesnt make any difference in understanding the duties laid upon the disciples by Jesus.
Jesus explains to the disciples that while he was with them, he had told them what must happen for the fulfillment of the prophecies concerning him. There were prophecies concerning the Messiah in all parts of the Old Testament, in the Law, the Prophets, and in the Psalms. He then went through the Scriptures, as he did with the two disciples on the way to Emmaus, to help them understand the Scriptures. He concluded that thus it was written and thus it was necessary for him to have suffered, die, and rise from the dead three days later.
But those same prophecies mean that the teaching of repentance and remission of sins must be preached to the whole world, starting in Jerusalem (Psalm 22:27; Isaiah 49:6; Jeremiah 31:34; Micah 4:2; Malachi 1:11). The disciples were witnesses of these things and, thus, would be the ones to carry the message of salvation to the world.
Once again Jesus reminds them that he would be sending the promised Holy Spirit to them (John 14:16-17, 26). Therefore, it was necessary for them to wait in Jerusalem until the Spirit came (Isaiah 44:3).”
Perhaps you wonder because you read your catechism as the 'bible'...We don't have to wonder what Philip taught just by reading the Eunuch's response...
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
That's when the Eunuch received the Spiritual baptism...When he no longer needed a man to teach him...And THEN, he got wet...
This is a very important verse...Monumental I guess you could say...
First, it proves your current pope lied when he said it is not a requirement to believe in Jesus to be a (Catholic) Christian...Or something close to that effect...And secondly, this eliminates any possibility of babies being baptized...
If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest...
Somehow they convinced you that baptism means water...It doesn't...It means immersion...
Baptism doesn't mean water...
Water doesn't mean baptism...
Washing doesn't mean water...
One good way to know that is,,,they are all spelled differently...
***You even quoted the verse that tells us why that seemed a prudent thing for Paul to do. **
Do you have a problem that “by works a man is justified” JAMES, the leader of the Jerusalem CHRISTIAN Church telling Paul to go offer sacrifices in the Temple? WHY were the Jerusalem Christians still offering animal sacrifices!
And if I wanted to change the subject I would mention that other bugbear (gasp)INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC or kitchens in the church building or a half dozen other doctrines that separate five little Campbellite churches in this area.
Quite a few web pages point to Nicander (200BC) writing of making pickles by plunging, and removing(bapto) into boiling water, then Baptizing(Baptizo) them in vinegar.
St Paul states: 1Corinthians 12:13:
For by one Spirit are we all baptized (baptizo) into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Again, water baptism is still after the fact that the person is saved. Same as Cornelius was saved before his in and out water baptism.
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The Greek word translated "for" means "because of". It does not mean it causes forgiveness of sins. If I say the guy went to jail for murder doesn't mean he went to jail to commit murder.
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