So... are you calling Dr. Hahn a liar? His original account and the secondary account seem to mesh together, do they not? (Beyond that: given the splintering of the Presbyterians, is it really surprising that they've spawned numerous private places of worship which still consider themselves Presbyterian? Unless you're willing to consider every last Presbyterian "fragment" to be illegitimate, I'm not sure how this furthers your case.)YES I AM.. if a church opened that called itself Roman catholic .. would it be Roman Catholic? Would their priests be in the "apostolic" line? LOL
He told a bald face lie..HE WAS NEVER ORDAINED BY THE PCA ..THAT, like Rome, has standards and keeps records of those that can call themselves PCA..that is true of all branches of Presbyterians..
He lied to make himself more valuable to Rome..and it has paid off nicely
[paladinan]
So... are you calling Dr. Hahn a liar?
[RnMomof7]
YES I AM.
Well, thanks for at least not being mealy-mouthed about it! (I still disagree, but it's pretty refreshing to have clarity like that!)
if a church opened that called itself Roman catholic .. would it be Roman Catholic? Would their priests be in the "apostolic" line?
No, and no... but most mainline Presbyterian groups
they're all over the map... as could be expected.
As such, I'm not sure how this furthers your point. Can you prove, beyond all doubt, that Scott Hahn's ordination was "invalid" in the eyes of all Presbyterian groups? If there were some "final court of appeals" which all Presbyterians honored for such judgments, and if THEY pronounced Scott Hahn's ordination invalid, then you'd have cause to call Dr. Hahn's account false, if he said otherwise (though you'd have to prove that he KNEW his "local ordination" was invalid, in order to call him a "liar" and have any credibility in making that accusation). I don't see that, here.
...and as for finding a "universal authority to recognize Presbyterian ordinations, even among themselves... well...
good luck with that!
He told a bald face lie..HE WAS NEVER ORDAINED BY THE PCA.
Where does Dr. Hahn ever claim that he was ordained "by the PCA"? Not even Presbyterians require that; were you aware of that fact? Even according to the blog of "Becky" (whom you quote), Dr. Hahn said that he was ordained privately by elders of the local Presbyterian group. And you're calling this a lie... WHY, again?
.THAT, like Rome, has standards and keeps records of those that can call themselves PCA.
Your claim is based on the idea that the PCA speaks for all Presbyterian groups, even in the USA... and that is not true.
.that is true of all branches of Presbyterians..
Not so. See above.
He lied to make himself more valuable to Rome..and it has paid off nicely
All right: you've just stated your personal opinion. Now, you need to prove it, in order to have any credibility at all. Otherwise, you've just libelled Dr. Hahn... and the Bible takes a dim view of that, IIRC.