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To: editor-surveyor
Sorry to hit your weak spot so hard! (just a wild guess)

Nope....no weak spot at all.

There are no “key verses” anywhere in scripture. That is how heresy is born. The bare minimum to begin to understand scripture is to always read at lease the whole chapter, and if the chapter begins with a conjunctive word like therefore, wherefore, etc, then also read the preceding chapter first.

On this I tend to agree with. There are however, some verses in a passage that give the meaning clarity; some words bring the text into focus more than others. You cite an example in your reply. I agree that all must be taken into context....something the rcc doesn't do that often.

Did you missed the part about those who practice lawlessness....these are not Christians. They never were. They've rejected God's plan totally.

Reconcile your position of losing salvation with John 6:37 and Colossians 2:13-14; Ephesians 1:13-14.

The Greek is the key to understanding this.

But if you believe you can lose your salvation, then, and I presume your catholics, I would head to the house of the priest right now without delay and camp out on his doorstep so you'd be in a position to confess sins as they arise. As I understand catholicism if you die with unconfessed "mortal" sins then you do not go to Heaven.

That's a terrible way to live....that's called fear. And it's not the way Jesus intended His children to live.

We have a loving God who loved us so much He gave His only begotten Son to die on a cross for all of our sins. He died on a cross for the full payment of our sins, mortal or venial, big or small, and has cancelled out the certificate of debt against us having nailed it to a cross.

967 posted on 03/04/2015 5:05:40 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
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>> “Did you missed the part about those who practice lawlessness....these are not Christians. They never were. They've rejected God's plan totally.” <<

They believed themselves to be doing the work of the spirit. Yeshua made that point very clearly. He also said that he did not know them, so you are right, they were not cutting the mustard.

This is true of most that call themselves “Christian” today.

It's not a matter of losing salvation, because as Yeshua made clear in Matthew 24 that one must endure to the end to be saved.

The verses that you rely on do not offer what you want to believe they do. They only reflect the apostle's confidence in a particular congregation, not a guarantee of salvation.
Peter addresses this well

2Peter 1

[1] Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[2] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[3] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[4] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[5] And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
[6] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[7] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[8] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[9] But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Get that? - They had forgotten that their old sins were purged!

Practicing “lawlessness” means rejecting Torah, either consciously or unconsciously.

If we truly yield to him, he does write his laws on our hearts, but how many truly yield? Hebrews 6 and 1Peter 2 are not idle chit-chat. They address people that had the Holy Spirit, but failed.

Unless you natively speak and read Greek, the Greek is no key to anything. The English translations of Hebrews and 2Peter say it as it was meant to be said.

973 posted on 03/04/2015 5:43:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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