Posted on 02/28/2015 12:25:36 PM PST by umpqua
Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.
No one forced you to come to this thread and read anything or post anything. It is not my intent to offend you nor am I attacking Judaism. To accept Judaism that has rejected their own Messiah would be for me to reject Jesus Christ. I would be calling Jesus Christ a liar.
What part of Christians believe Jesus is the Messiah do you not get? Do you expect us to deny Jesus Christ so your feelings don’t get hurt?
I have close Jewish friends who have said monstrous things about Jesus and Christianity, yet we can discuss this subject of the Messiah over and over again without anyone getting offended or angry. What is your source of anger hearing a Christians faith in regard to who the Messiah is and isn’t?
Your efforts to silence me by going to the moderator with your “I am offended” is childish liberalism as a result of you being unable to defend your views. Quite sad.
Yes all other religions are false and lead to hell. The one and only true God did reveal Himself to the Jews, but they rejected God’s Messiah, that makes Christianity the one and only true way to God. However God has not given up on the Jews and the church of Christ has not replaced Israel and the prophetic promises of God to the Jews with the Christian church. We gentiles are grafted in and God will again open the hearts of Jews to the Messiah Jesus Christ. This what the Word of God tells us who believe what God wrote.
If my words have offended you, good! Maybe the truth of Who the Messiah is will penetrate your heart and save your soul. Winning a argument on earth has no meaning when one stares at their eternity and knows they will be meeting God all to soon.
Jesus said, “I am the only way to the Father.” Some will believe him and be saved, some won’t believe Him. I believe Him, why does that anger you?
Christians are all in agreement on Who Jesus is, the promised Messiah. Christians love Jews for they love the head Jew, Jesus. They are not going to reject Jesus to appease anyone. You seem to be saying because Christians won’t reject Jesus they therefore hate Jews. What rubbish!
I am pointing to a people called Israel, you point to geography.
Are you one of those ‘Replacement Theology’ people?
You think Christians expressing their faith in Jesus and love for Jesus is obnoxious? What a lovely chap you are!
Yes again the scripture is about love .... you don’t understand.
“You think Christians expressing their faith in Jesus and love for Jesus is obnoxious? What a lovely chap you are!”
You think telling Jews their religion is all wrong, they don’t understand their own scriptures and they’re doomed to eternal damnation is not obnoxious? What a dandy fellow you are!
I’m just going to keep on praying that free_life finally comes to see the error of his ways, that Jesus was not the Jewish messiah (or anyone’s messiah), that he believes in many false scriptures, does not understand Jewish scripture at all and that if he doesn’t keep the seven Noahide laws, he is doomed to eternal damnation in the fires of hell. The Noahide laws prohibit idol worship, so I hope he drops this whole Jesus thing entirely, for his own good. I do this out of love for him.
It is so sad, really to see après on embracing so many false beliefs.
That is a good reply. I am not offended in the least, you are standing firm for what you believe and I respect that.
Yes let’s pray for each other. May God reveal to each of us what is His truth and what is error.
So now you think you can tell me what I understand and don’t understand? I would suggest you read the rules of the forum before you get any deeper.
Your conclusion is rubbish, I never said anything like that. And you are absolutely, totally wrong about Christians being in agreement about who Jesus is. Not only do the members of each Christian sect have their own definition of who Jesus is, they also believe anyone not of their particular sectarian belief system is going to hell! Yet they all pretend that there is something called "Christianity" that they all belong to! It's brazen hypocrisy, and it's ugly, and it's turned millions of people away from the teachings of Christ.
I am pointing to a people called Israel, you point to geography.
Congratulations, you directly reversed my words. Why would you need to do that if your position is so strong?
Are you one of those ‘Replacement Theology’ people?
Are you one of labeling people, who would rather talk about whether someone fits into one of your sectarian heresy boxes, rather than deal with what they are actually saying?
And if so, what kind of heretic are you? Are you a heretic from the Protestant point of view, or are you a heretic from the Catholic point of view? Either way, why should I bother answering the questions of a heretic who is going to hell because millions of people agree you do not agree with them about who Jesus is?
Nooooo, you are not attacking Judaism. But within the SAME POSTING you label all other religions as FALSE, and claim that Christianity is the only true way to G-d!
The truth of the messiah for Jews is that he hasn't arrived yet. If that is not your truth, it is of no concern to me. You follow your beliefs, I'll follow mine. You can attempt to slander my religion, but it only serves to show you up a one-trick pony who makes little sense to rational people. By all means, blather on.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Now it is even more clear you don’t understand. LOL
Yes of course, how can you expect a Christian to believe otherwise? If Jesus was a liar and if the bible was untrue, why would anyone be a Christian? For the Word of God to be true and for Jesus to be one and only way to God as He claims, all other religions have to be false. I am not going to follow a 'maybe' or a 'one possible way out of many'! Jesus is an absolute..."I am the Messiah, there is no other!" Do you understand over a billion people believe Him?
I am assuming you have never read the Bible New Testament and don't know what it says. Jesus made those claims of being the Messiah and the only way to God 2000 years ago and they were angry then too, they even nailed Him to a cross they so hated His claims. If it is not true, why the anger? If Jesus is just a kook why wasn't He and why isn't He just ignored?
The bible clearly and repeatedly says all other religions are false. The OT makes the same claims about all other religions being false during the time of old Testament covenant with God and the Hebrew people. Jews made the same claims then, Christians make now. Same God, same Word.
If Jesus proclaimed to be a "maybe I am the Messiah (salvation of God)" He would have been forgotten the same day he made the claim. Yet here we are 2000 years later and a billion + people believe what Jesus claimed....that He is the Messiah.
The truth of the messiah for Jews is that he hasn't arrived yet. If that is not your truth, it is of no concern to me. You follow your beliefs, I'll follow mine.
Sure I get that. I know what religious Jews believe and I am not telling anyone what they must believe, just what Jesus said all people must believe to receive salvation through him. Why does that make you angry? Why does that cause you to respond with insults? Your replies to me, tell me it does concern you, and a lot.
You are free to believe whatever you want and make any claim you want that Judaism is the one and only true way to God. That does not anger me in the least, if that is your belief. Why are you angry that I speak thus of my faith?
I am asking myself right now, if I didn't have the Messiah would that anger me? Yea it probably would.
Can it. No one here is the slightest bit interested. Zzzzz.
Yea right LOL ... as you say in the 157th post in this thread...LOL
Because of Jesus of Nazareth, practically the whole world at this point has come to know of the true God. Once again people could come to know Him, instead of being enslaved by all sorts of evil ideas and practices that man invented for religion after they had turned away from Him. I have ancestors from Germany and believe they worshipped something like spirits in trees, if I recall correctly.
Then second, the Christian faith is the embodiment of the Law and prophets of the Old Testament. This came down to faith that God is God, and in His goodness and mercy. David was an adulterer and murderer like others in the Bible who weren’t approved of God, yet God called him a man after His own heart. We see that despite being a law-breaker, David had true faith in the Lord.
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