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To: redleghunter
I see your question now. You are asking 'who decides who is part of the Body of Christ, His church.?' Well at least that is the entry argument to get to your conclusion of ecclesiology.

Is there supposed to be an answer in the block of Scripture to my question: How is consensus derived from an invisible entity"?

If I were a Christian living in that time and place, how would I know how to find the invisible church so I could participate in building the consensus?

Who were the ministers of this invisible church?

97 posted on 02/25/2015 8:24:17 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o; redleghunter

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>> “how would I know how to find the invisible church so I could participate in building the consensus?” <<

A true member of that assembly should not have to even ask such a question. It would be impossible for us to explain the answer to one that has to ask.

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100 posted on 02/25/2015 8:44:23 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: don-o; CynicalBear; daniel1212

Yes Sir, the answer is there. However, your definition of ‘invisible’ is not. The correct terms as revealed are in the ‘block of Scripture’ by God’s Grace I provided.

The real line of questioning to your proposal is:

“Who adds to God’s church?”-—Answered in the NT

After the above the next is:

“How do those who are added to the church recognize each other?”-—Answered in the NT

Finally,

Application:

“What were the conditions in which the apostles/disciples baptized a person?”-—Answered in the NT


101 posted on 02/25/2015 8:58:18 AM PST by redleghunter (He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Lk24)
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To: don-o; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
Is there supposed to be an answer in the block of Scripture to my question: How is consensus derived from an invisible entity"?

Where is he making that assertion? I see the people of God within the visible churches overall progressively establishing certain writings as being "Divine classics" by them being on their "best sellers list" (essentially due to their excelling qualities and attestation) without an infallible magisterium?

If I were a Christian living in that time and place, how would I know how to find the invisible church so I could participate in building the consensus?

Does this presuppose the people of God can correctly discern both men and writings as being of God without an infallible magisterium.

Or is Cardinal Avery Dulles right in saying, "People cannot discover the contents of revelation by their unaided powers of reason and observation. They have to be told by people who have received it from on high.” - Cardinal Avery Dulles, SJ, “Magisterium: Teacher and Guardian of the Faith,” p. 72;

...It is the living Church and not Scripture that St. Paul indicates as the pillar and the unshakable ground of truth....no matter what be done the believer cannot believe in the Bible nor find in it the object of his faith until he has previously made an act of faith in the intermediary authorities..." - Catholic Encyclopedia>Tradition and Living Magisterium; http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15006b.htm

And is your argument that being the instruments and stewards of Holy Writ means they are the infallible interpreters of it, and thus we must submit to them, or is it possible these instruments and stewards (via the magisterial authority) can sometimes be wrong?

And how critical is an infallible canon?

Hope your wife is doing better, and resting in Christ as Savior.

120 posted on 02/25/2015 12:22:01 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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