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To: ealgeone
You have to do/believe/think whatever the pope says in these matters. You have NO CHOICE. So I guess there are 1.2 billion little catholic churches running around!

O.K., I am subject to the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on Earth.....I have to believe everything that the Catholic church teaches as dogma to be the truth....so far, so good.....other than what the pope declares as infallible truth....IE: the Assumption and the Immaculate Concepton of Mary....I am not required to agree with anything that any Pope says that is a matter of his personal opinion.

105 posted on 02/20/2015 3:39:06 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails overall!)
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To: terycarl
....other than what the pope declares as infallible truth...

nope. anything the pope says catholics have to do/think/sleep on religious matters. doesn't matter if they are "infallible" or not. else you're your own little denomination. that's how far reaching that statement it.

I can tell you don't like being told what to do.

110 posted on 02/20/2015 3:46:04 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: terycarl; ealgeone
>>I am not required to agree with anything that any Pope says that is a matter of his personal opinion.<<

You must be one of those poorly Catechized.

First Vatican Council: “Therefore we teach and declare that, by Divine ordinance, the Roman Church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other Church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman Pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the Church throughout the world.” (Ibid.)

Can. 753 Although the bishops who are in communion with the head and members of the college, whether individually or joined together in conferences of bishops or in particular councils, do not possess infallibility in teaching, they are authentic teachers and instructors of the faith for the Christian faithful entrusted to their care; the Christian faithful are bound to adhere with religious submission of mind to the authentic magisterium of their bishops.

just as the office granted individually to Peter, the first among the apostles, is permanent and is to be transmitted to his successors, so also the apostles’ office of nurturing the Church is permanent, and is to be exercised without interruption by the sacred order of bishops. (14*) Therefore, the Sacred Council teaches that bishops by divine institution have succeeded to the place of the apostles, (15*) as shepherds of the Church, and he who hears them, hears Christ, and he who rejects them, rejects Christ and Him who sent Christ. (149)(16*) (Lumen Gentium, emphasis added). [http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html]

If you reject what the bishops say you are rejecting Christ.

115 posted on 02/20/2015 4:03:24 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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