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To: boatbums

I’d venture that most people, when drawn to the Lord in brokenness, have NO problem here. It is AFTER salvation that the Judaizers crawl out of the woodwork demanding....erm...”scalps”. There may be a multitude of instructors in Christ, but would to the Lord there were more fathers to guard the flock from the fruit inspectors and works crowd, and help them understand why they still sin, and how not to let Satan drive them down. Nothing energizes the flesh or gives it more traction than trying to keep law for approval (not that Judaizers keep it).

The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law!


3 posted on 02/18/2015 1:51:16 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: avenir
I’d venture that most people, when drawn to the Lord in brokenness, have NO problem here. It is AFTER salvation that the Judaizers crawl out of the woodwork demanding....erm...”scalps”. There may be a multitude of instructors in Christ, but would to the Lord there were more fathers to guard the flock from the fruit inspectors and works crowd, and help them understand why they still sin, and how not to let Satan drive them down. Nothing energizes the flesh or gives it more traction than trying to keep law for approval (not that Judaizers keep it). The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law!

So true! I marvel how so many imagine the work that God BEGAN in us by grace through faith He would finish with our OWN works of righteousness. There is a sad misunderstanding of grace among many "Christian" denominations. If we are saved by grace - and we are - then that means all the way to the fulfillment of our eternal life.

4 posted on 02/18/2015 2:27:01 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: avenir
help them understand why they still sin, and how not to let Satan drive them down.

Indeed! As Paul says, anyone who thinks he ought to still be sinning after becoming a disciple of Christ, must not know what happened to him in baptism.

"We who died to sin, how shall we any longer live therein? Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection; knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin; for he that hath died is justified from sin." - Romans 6:2-7

To speak of a baptized believer as still in bondage to sin, is to talk about a living dead man! It just doesn't fit the gospel picture of a disciple.

The sinner is killed and buried in baptism, and the disciple of Christ is a new man, a free man. As the preacher said, "Free at last, free at last! Thank God Almighty, free at last!"
7 posted on 02/18/2015 3:40:02 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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