Posted on 02/14/2015 1:16:14 PM PST by RnMomof7
Tomorrow is a new day. Take advantage of that.
You’re presenting a false dichotomy and demanding an answer that makes as much sense as “Can God make a rock so big He can’t move it?”. The Church is not wrong, God is not wrong. The answer is longer than yes or no because the question is faulty.
I’m not going to take you seriously because you persist in calling the Bride of Christ a cult in a disparaging manner.
Nevertheless, no one shall enter Heaven except those saved by the Blood of Christ. Nobody else would even want to anyhow.
Back at you.
So inferring isn’t our strong suit here: My original post wayyyyyy up thread was to show that Islamists are silencing us all over the globe while keyboard warriors blame Catholics for this and Protestants for that. Pray for our world, it’s on fire.
I think it’s worth pointing out that the muslims would just as happily torch a Catholic as a Protestant and consider their god well served.
We all agree that humans are sinful and all of us fall to temptation so I will repeat:
If you would like to go over a list of sinful human beings, I can do the same with Protestant Preachers who founded their own churches and couldn't keep their pants zipped, but that's not necessary.
Which church" The Roman one or the EO one who holds to different doctrines and considers the themselves the OTC and the Roman rite off the rails.
They disagree in the following areas.
How can they both be true?
These differences are so important that there has been no reconciliation in nearly a thousand years after the split. The Eastern Orthodox differ with Roman Catholicism on these issues:
The Holy Spirit (the filioque)
In EO - The third person of the Trinity, proceeding from the Father alone as in the original Nicene Creed. The Father sends the Spirit at the intercession of the Son. The Son is therefore an agent only in the procession of the Spirit.
In RC - 'When the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, He is not separated from the Father, He is not separated from the Son'.
Mary - Assumption and Immaculate conception of
EO - The Assumption is accepted and it is agreed that Mary experienced physical death, but the Immaculate conception is rejected. Orthodox belief is that the guilt of original sin is not transmitted from one generation to the next, thus obviating the need for Mary to be sinless.
RC - Both are dogmas of the church. The church has not as yet decided whether Mary actually experienced Physical death. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception states that Mary, was at conception 'preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin' and should not be confused with the virgin birth.
Pope - Authority of
EO - As the Bishop of Rome, he has a primacy of honour when Orthodox, not of jurisdiction. At present, his primacy is not effective as the papacy needs to be reformed in accordance with Orthodoxy. His authority is thus no greater or lesser than any of his fellow Bishops in the church.
RC - The Pope is the 'Vicar of Christ' i.e. the visible head of the church on earth and spiritual successor of St. Peter. He has supreme authority (including that over church councils) within Christendom (The Power of the keys).
Pope - Infallibility of
EO - Papal Infallibility is rejected. The Holy Spirit acts to guide the church into truth through (for example) ecumenical councils. This Orthodoxy recognises the first seven ecumenical councils (325-787) as being infallible.
RC - The Pope is infallible when, through the Holy Spirit, he defines a doctrine on faith and morals that is to be held by the whole church. This is a dogma and is therefore a required belief within Catholicism.
Purgatory
EO - An intermediate state between earth and heaven is recognised, but cleansing and purification occur in this life, not the next.
RC - A place of cleansing and preparation for heaven. Also a place where the punishment due to unremitted venial sins may be expiated.
I'd say these were the "biggies", but other differences also exist. These are explained
And this article is another comparison.
Comparison between Orthodoxy, Protestantism & Roman Catholicism:
There is only one Jesus. I'm done here.
No, actually, a false dichotomy implies that there is some sort of rhetorical trick being used where there exists MORE than one answer. Here, there is one answer, and one answer only --
Either Christ, who from his own mouth said that no one comes to the Father except through himself -- meaning he is THE mediator between God and Man (and subsequently substantiated by Paul's inspired scripture in 1Tim2:5)
OR
Mary is the Mediatrix she is proclaimed to be by the Roman Catholic CULT in its Catechism listing 969.
Which is true? No false dichotomy here, but I do give you credit for trying to use a Straw-man argument. Talk about hypocrisy. Sheesh.
A) God
B) Roman Catholic Cult
We're waiting...
I’m not going to take you seriously because you persist in calling the Bride of Christ a cult in a disparaging manner.
I've never called the Bride of Christ anything disparaging; I along with all those called by God and saved through faith in Christ Jesus are the Bride of Christ.
The Roman Catholic Cult is exactly that...a cult.
Nevertheless, no one shall enter Heaven except those saved by the Blood of Christ. Nobody else would even want to anyhow.
Well now, we can agree on that -- it is the Blood of Christ that saves... not Baptismal Regeneration as taught by the Roman Catholic Cult... and not faith AND works... but Faith Alone. But I'm sure we'll differ on that.
Still... just for fun: A or B?
Hoss
And yet the Catholic here claim no split! That’s a split for sure!
True -- but it is the Roman Catholic Cult's Catechism that teaches that Catholics and Mohammedans worship the same God:
"841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
So, which "Creator" do Catholics and Mohammedans worship?
Hoss
Before Christ ascended into heaven what did he do? What did he say?
Please read YOUR Bible.
What do you think Catholics use? The Bible of course. And it states that Tradition is part of the our belief.
Read John and John’s letters — last chapters.
Now, don’t go trying to confuse things... Which is it?
You said Rome had Truth...not scripture. Now it’s both?
Let’s try this with you too:
Truth originates from:
A) God and His inerrant word
B) Rome’s “Traditions”
C) Both
Hoss
You belive in Scripture, correct?
Then why don't you believe this?
John 21: (We'll be using the KJV today to keep things on even footing): "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
The Bible Itself declares that it doesn't contain everything.
John 20
30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.
Leviticus 26 King James Version (KJV)
26 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.
Satan hates Scriptures.
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