Posted on 02/11/2015 3:05:42 PM PST by Graybeard58
Too many people spend too much time trying to prove the first chapters of Exodus.
Too many people spent too much time trying to figure Revelation.
They tend to ignore what is between which is what is really important. Once you understand this you then can figure out the end pieces.
I seem to remember years ago when a little child would ask where babies came from, some people would tell them a stork brought them, others had different stories, I was told that they found me under a rock.
We are just little children to God so why would he waste time explaining something too deep for us to understand, and besides any one knows that even if a little child may understand it might be a bad thing to tell them.
Too many people spent too much time trying to figure Revelation.
I once asked a teacher about a verse in Revelation. His response was to stay away from Revelation; it can drive you crazy.
Once again, we have biblical theologians either, at odds or in agreement, of attempting to use science, to either accredit, or discredit the bible.
A different question is what i ask.
How the truck does that matter, to all those today, that are sitting on the sidelines, taking bets, snickering at your foolishness, wagging their tongues and shaking their heads at you, when it is THEY that you should turning your attention towards, and making THEM envious of what you’ve got?
With nonsense like this, how ya’s gonna do d’at?
They tend to ignore what is between which is what is really important.
Two different threads with the same title and I think they reference the same work.
The Age of the Universe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576941/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3051495/posts
There’s no reason to think that the first part of Genesis is metaphorical.
This matches how I interpret it and how I teach it. But I wasn't there so I could be wrong.
That goes beyond "Creation" and into "terraforming." See Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory (click here)on that, if you haven't already.
Dr. Jobe Martin (click here) has, and invites evolutionists to review at least some of his tutorials.
Please present proof that the 24-hour theory is the only one considered prior to that point?
You can’t, because it wasn’t.
Smart aleck attitudes vitiate the gospel. God gives grace to the humble.
Except you then have events more fit to a show like “Bewitched” than to nature, like the rate at which Adam named the animals (and the animals came, from around the globe) and the agenda of the formation and meeting of his wife.
You have to believe in Procrustean beds to doggedly carry on with the 24-hour agenda, and yet many do. It is more, not less, entertainment of intellectualism than other, messier theories.
My Post #48 speaks a bit to the “secret things of the Lord”. As I indicated, what we “are told” in the Bible is not secret. The things that “are not told” are the secret things.
God does not expect everyone to see many, many of the secrets, the "mysteries" in the Bible even when they are explained, even when they are, ostensibly, "believers."
The "psukikos" one, the natural man, cannot receive the deep things of the Holy Spirit because they are moronic to him. Nor can he come to grips with the concepts, because they are seen in the spirit, not with the eyes or by the intellecual facility unaided.
But the "pneumatikos" one, the spiritual (hu)man sees these things as they appear in Scripture by the indwelling Holy Ghost, and the more so--truth built upon other unseen but evident truths--as the mind of Christ possesses him.
Thus Genesis Chapter 1, verse 1 makes sense to the spiritual man, but not to the highly trained and ranked physical scientist, who can explain many things,except where space, time, matter, and physical or spiritual eternal life come from.
Who, then, is the spiritual moron?
"For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified".
But then God threw in a caveat:
2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Bible history researchers tell us that Adam and Ever lived here 6000 years ago...Or, six days...That ought to perk some ears up...
Rev_20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev_20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
A thousand years is the time period that the Kingdom of Heaven will take place on earth...The kingdom prophesied all thru-out the Old Testament...Where the Messiah will reign on earth from Jerusalem...A thousand years, or, one day...The seventh day...A day of rest (for Israel)...Just a coincidence that 'one thousand years' was mentioned six times in the chapter...
The bible says six days/six thousand years...History shows six thousand years...
2Pe_3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
The heavens were of old...And the world perished being covered with water...God created a flood...Was this Noah's flood???
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Some where along the line we got a new earth AND a new heavens...Couldn't have been Noah's flood...
Makes sense to me that people ought to just believe God and then search the scriptures to understand what he is saying instead of trying to discredit the bible...
Because it is exactly those on the sidelines, young or old, small or great, who are asking the questions, fed by them through satanic agitators disguised as evolutionistic scientists and teachers, to scoff at the existence of a Living God and His Only Begotten Son, by which they can be rescued from the life of sin, ignorance, and eternal pain that otherwise awaits them.
Does that compute with you, that a soul-warner ought to be able to answer these questions adequately to get through to the root problem?
And that is why defenders of The Faith contend for it here on FR as well as in their daily conversations with those who have been sidelined by Satan?
There is no discussion in the Chicago Statement on whether the days of creation have to be cardinal numbers rather than ordinal numbers. And that’s really the crux of the issue.
Young Earth creationists insist that the days of creation are necessarily cardinal numbers. But the normal use of language doesn’t compel a restrictive meaning of ‘day’, we often use day to indicate order in time rather than specific quantity. At least that’s the case in English. Unless “yom” is necessarily and always equivalent to a 24 hour time period the Young Earthers are overstating their case.
RW: True.
On this you are way, way wrong, for if you have observed these diligent and qualified scientists exercising their foremost evangelistic vector and skill set, you would see that they regularly go out into every highway and byway to bring the knowledge of Christ not only to the vulnerable schoolchildren but to the hardened God-damning evolutionistic fools.
(Spoken as a PhD spectroscopist) I get daily emailed devotional from the ICR whom you are condemning that treat every topic of salvation and spiritual growth that you might thing of. The founder, Henry Morris, brought out a copy of the King James Version, every page interspersed with wise comments on The Creator. In this month's "Acts & Facts" magazine, his son writes a three-page article on "God's Lovingkindness and Truth" focusing not on "creationism," but on worship and praise of God. On another page Brian Thomas addresses your (false) concerns in an article "Does Teaching Recent Creation Hinder the Gospel?" to which the answer to any person with a true orientation to saving souls is "No! In fact it greatly supports spreading the gospel on every level!"
The same can be said of every prominent practitioner of Creation Evangelism that I have known and met. Creationism is a strong part of every lively gospel outreach worth talking about.
Seems like, to me, the time taken for some to be participating on FR over and above their evangelistic outreach may actually be a hindering factor in believing or bearing the True Gospel.
And wouldn't you think that a Father whose intent on writing a book whose theme is "The Coming of Jesus The Messiah, and His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace" and Whose purpose is to save fallen humans, reconciling and restoring them to be citizens of that Kingdom, engage its readers at the outset by starting with:
"In the beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth. . ."
and go on from there, by progressively revealing Himself and His Ways?
Actually, as a first-grader in Sunday School, the very first verse I memorized was that above, and it was with me when the chips were down, my life had failed, and I needed to turn to Someone Who could help me. It was to The Creator and His Son that I turned, and He did not fail. Come on, fellas!
Please don't leave out the qualifying operning verse of this discourse:
"And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God." Yes, GB, that is how Paul came to the Corinthians, directly after being on the Athenian Areopagus where he tried to engage them in a profitable debate on the Unknown God, and was mocked the philosophers there and sent away as a rube.
But that is not how he went away, for while there he gave them what they needed to know about making disciples and starting a church. This letter was one of the followup epistles giving them yet more orders in how to diminish fractious effects and persons in their assembly.
And you might want to check out Romans 1, and see if The Gospel was not quite tightly sewed up with creation, hm?
Well said!
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