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To: Steelfish

Your point? I eat of the flesh and drink of the Blood of Christ as commanded. I believe and have been baptized, all without the help of rome. I am saved totally and completely by Christ and His finished work on the Cross.

If you mean by quoting your verses there is no salvation outside the roman church you are sadly mistaken. Christ is the way the truth and the light, not some manmade organization. And spare me your tortured thinking that the roman church was estabished by or acts for Christ. The only Church established by Christ is the true Chruch composed of all those washed by His blood, His pure and spotless Bride. There are some romans in that Church but many non romans as well.


32 posted on 02/06/2015 9:03:32 PM PST by Mom MD
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To: Mom MD

“Tortured thinking”?

Wow! Don’t take my word for it, why not try consulting eminent Protestant theologians who converted to Catholicism.

Even single objection to Petrine Authority has been so solidly refuted that even pre-eminent Lutheran and Episcoplain theologians and pastors have defected from their Bible-Christianity and converted to Catholicism. Here are just three example. I am not talking about political leaders like Gov. Bobby Jindal who tossed out Hinduism or Tony Blair who ditched Anglicanism.

Ulf Ekman, the founder of Scandinavia’s biggest Bible school, with a congregation of some 4000 individuals, converted to Catholicism because his theological inquiry confirmed for him the indispensability of the Catholic sacraments.

Francis J. Beckwith, a “born-again” evangelical, a tenured professor at Baptist-affiliated Baylor University in Waco, Tex, was the president of the Evangelical Theological Society, an association of 4,300 Protestant theologians resigned and joined the Catholic Church. One blogger likened it to Hulk Hogan’s defection from the World Wrestling Federation to the rival World Championship Wrestling league.

Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, was a pre-eminent Lutheran theologian in America. He knew his Bible-text and history like no other Protestant. When he converted to Catholicism he said, “I have long believed that the Roman Catholic Church is the fullest expression of the church of Christ through time.”

It has been said that if you place 100 Bible-Christians in a room and give them a notepad and pencil and have them interpret a phrase of scripture, you’d have 100 different reasons they would provide for their conclusion. Don’t forget to include pastors from the AME Church as well or those Bible-faiths that ordain gay and lesbian pastors.

Thus the early Church historian J. N. D. Kelly, a Protestant, writes, “[W]here in practice was [the] apostolic testimony or tradition to be found? . . . The most obvious answer was that the apostles had committed it orally to the Church, where it had been handed down from generation to generation. . . . Unlike the alleged secret tradition of the Gnostics, it was entirely public and open, having been entrusted by the apostles to their successors, and by these in turn to those who followed them, and was visible in the Church for all who cared to look for it” (Early Christian Doctrines, 37).

Don’t take my word. Here’s one original source. St. Irenaeus:

“It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known to us throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors down to our own times, men who neither knew nor taught anything like what these heretics rave about” (Against Heresies 3:3:1 [A.D. 189]).

“The true knowledge is the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient organization of the Church throughout the whole world, and the manifestation of the body of Christ according to the succession of bishops, by which succession the bishops have handed down the Church which is found everywhere” (4:33:8).


35 posted on 02/06/2015 9:10:49 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Mom MD

“I eat of the flesh and drink of the Blood of Christ as commanded. I believe and have been baptized, all without the help of rome”

Drinking that grape koolaid and piece of wonder bread given to you from pastor Billy Bob is not eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ.


60 posted on 02/07/2015 4:51:14 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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