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Mass as nourishment, not as obligation
OSV ^ | February 5, 2015 | Melinda Selmys

Posted on 02/05/2015 2:50:39 PM PST by NYer

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To: CynicalBear

Not a lie.


161 posted on 02/05/2015 9:07:07 PM PST by Grateful2God (That those from diverse religious traditions and all people of good will may work together for peace)
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To: CynicalBear

Do you, according to your personal Biblical interpretation, set a day aside as we do, with services/special worship, family time, restraint from unnecessary servile work? If so, which do you choose? What do you do? How did you decide which day was appropriate for you?


162 posted on 02/05/2015 9:15:23 PM PST by Grateful2God (That those from diverse religious traditions and all people of good will may work together for peace)
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To: ADSUM

Even single objection to Petrine Authority has been so solidly refuted that even pre-eminent Lutheran and Episcoplain theologians and pastors have defected from their Bible-Christianity and converted to Catholicism. Here are just three example. I am not talking about political leaders like Gov. Bobby Jindal who tossed out Hinduism or Tony Blair who ditched Anglicanism.

Ulf Ekman, the founder of Scandinavia’s biggest Bible school, with a congregation of some 4000 individuals, converted to Catholicism because his theological inquiry confirmed for him the indispensability of the Catholic sacraments.

Francis J. Beckwith, a “born-again” evangelical, a tenured professor at Baptist-affiliated Baylor University in Waco, Tex, was the president of the Evangelical Theological Society, an association of 4,300 Protestant theologians resigned and joined the Catholic Church. One blogger likened it to Hulk Hogan’s defection from the World Wrestling Federation to the rival World Championship Wrestling league.

Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, was a pre-eminent Lutheran theologian in America. He knew his Bible-text and history like no other Protestant. When he converted to Catholicism he said, “I have long believed that the Roman Catholic Church is the fullest expression of the church of Christ through time.”


163 posted on 02/05/2015 9:20:45 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: RnMomof7
Your comment: “Exclusivity from/Denunciation of Other Groups: Each cult group, regardless of what other doctrines are taught, will all have this one common idea — “The Only True Church Syndrome.” The members of each specific organization have been taught that their church, organization, or community, is the only true group and that all other groups are false.”

Your logic eludes me. Maybe you are just ranting.

Jesus Christ established His Catholic Church with Peter and the Disciples and their successors and delegated His authority to them.

Yes, in the early church there were some that created their own theology, but to my knowledge they were small in number and did not continue for long.

Yes Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic Church and this led many other men to set up separate churches.

Some 30,000 to 40,000 different sects are currently in existence. None other than the Catholic Church claim to be founded by Christ and given His authority. There are certainly some good positive Christian values and activities that come many of these churches. Many people get spiritual guidance that helps them. Then there are some that may make it business in order to generate a salary or profit.

But many are not teaching the full truth of Jesus Christ (except the Catholic Church)

It would seem that Jesus as the Truth would insist on His teachings follow this Truth (and Jesus promised that the Catholic Church would always teach the Truth of Jesus). Thus the Catholic Church claims infallibility on matters of Faith as their pronouncements are inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Thus 30,000+ churches who claim no infallibility on matters of Faith and several billion individuals if they could interpret the Bible on the own. Wouldn't that create many different and conflicting interpretations of the Bible? Even just the posters here do not agree on many different issues. Why would Jesus want conflicting teachings that were attributed to Him?

It would seem logical for Jesus and the Holy Spirit to inspire His Catholic Church to be the one true church to provide God's truth.

Many will not follow the teachings of Jesus or the Catholic Church. It is easier for them to form their own beliefs and accept some teachings but not others. Many during the time of Jesus, also rejected the teachings of Jesus. Many of the Jewish leaders felt superior to Jesus and ignored His teachings, just like some who claim to be followers of Jesus are actually followers of their own opinion.

Some may gain Salvation outside of the Catholic Church and the teachings of Jesus.

The mission of the Catholic Church is to provide God's truth, baptize and prepare individuals for salvation. The Church is composed of saints and sinners. God is the Judge, not the Church, but the Church wants to show you the way to our Lord.

Satan promotes evil and attempts to direct us toward sin and away from God and His Church.

164 posted on 02/05/2015 9:38:15 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: Steelfish; NYer
Excellent examples, Steelfish.

I'd like to add these too, for any lurkers.




For any lurkers and sincere "seekers of truth" who may be reading this thread, here are some presentations that you may find to be quite helpful, especially after reading all of the fallacious, inaccurate balderdash contained in some of these sadly misguided Catholic-Bashing posts. (I believe I will start to post these links, and other interesting conversion stories, every time I find another one of these threads loaded with so much false and deceiving information concerning the Catholic faith.)
"Personal Testimony Of Former
Presbyterian Minister Dr. Scott Hahn"
"Journey Home - Marcus Grodi With
Former Baptist Steve Ray"
"Dr. Peter Kreeft's Conversion Story -
To Catholicism From Protestantism "
"John Martignoni ("The Bible Christian") Shares His Conversion Story" "Former Pentecostal Pastor Alex Jones
Converted To The Catholic Church"
"Former Assembly of God Minister,
Now a Catholic - Tim Staples"
"Jeff Cavins: Former Non-Denominational Minister - The Journey Home Program" "Fr. Richard Ho Lung, M.O.P. : Former Buddhist - The Journey Home Program" "Journey Home - 2012-07-02 -
Former Episcopal Clergy - Taylor Marshall "
"The Journey Home - 2013-12-30 -
Monsignor Michael Magree - Former United Methodist"
"The Journey Home - 2014-5-26 -
Collin Raye (Former Southern Baptist)"
(Click here for a long list of many other "Journey Home" Catholic conversion testimonies to select from, for your listening pleasure, and for your spiritual enrichment.)

165 posted on 02/05/2015 10:20:53 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Mark17

Ping for later


166 posted on 02/06/2015 3:31:05 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: CynicalBear; Mark17

Well, I guess I’m just going to have to go over there and have it out face to face.

That’ll teach him.


167 posted on 02/06/2015 4:12:56 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM; WVKayaker

Then you might as well accuse Jesus of hate when He took on the religious leaders of His day.

He called them vipers, whitewashed tombs, and sons of their father the devil.

I’ll bet they’d have called Jesus full of hate for the times he cleansed the Temple, driving people out with a whip.

So when God says He hates stuff, then is He also doing the work of the devil?


168 posted on 02/06/2015 4:16:50 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM
You should apologize and repent for such an unchristian remark.

What about it made it 'unchristian' to your mind?

169 posted on 02/06/2015 4:34:00 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: piytar

Good response. I agree.


170 posted on 02/06/2015 4:35:04 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: piytar; IWONDR; teppe; Normandy
To answer your earlier question, Mormons don’t. They follow a false scripture.

Uh; they really don't 'follow' much at all.

Their 'scriptures' are VERY plain on various things and they do NOT follow them!


Even their own LEADERS have warned them...



"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)


Will any of the 3 FR Mormons I've pinged here care to respond?

171 posted on 02/06/2015 4:37:55 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NYer

I attend the Liturgy every Sunday because I want to be there. I receive communion every week because I want to receive. If some priest told me I had to, I’d ignore him. If some bishop or metropolitan told me I had to, I’d make a point of staying away! Thankfully, that has never happened. When I am at the Divine Liturgy, I know I am with +John Chrysostomos, +Aidan, +Patrick, +Brigid +Nektarios and +Columba...right there next to me, as real as you are dear lady! Why would I want to miss that?


172 posted on 02/06/2015 4:49:50 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Old Yeller
The prayers are all just repetitious memorized responses that haven’t changed for decades.

I've heard that!!!


 
Waldo said he'd meet me in the square...
 
 
 

173 posted on 02/06/2015 4:51:52 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
You do realize, of course, that all those neat biblical quotes that you mentioned were brought to you courtesy of the Catholic church.....say thanks!!

Thanks Tery; for all you've done!!

 
 
 
 

 
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.


John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?
 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."


1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.


James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
 

 
 
 

174 posted on 02/06/2015 4:53:06 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
You do realize, of course, that all those neat biblical quotes that you mentioned were brought to you ...


Isaiah 55:11
so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.


And a BIG thank you to the JEWS! which gave the FOUNDATION that the church of Rome likes to brag about.

175 posted on 02/06/2015 4:55:13 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
These books were assembled under Petrine authority by the early Church fathers.

OOOOOooooh!

176 posted on 02/06/2015 4:56:28 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
These books were assembled under Petrine authority by the early Church fathers.

OOOOOooooh!

177 posted on 02/06/2015 4:56:44 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
We call this Petrine authority and all the preeminent theologians of the world agree.

OOOOOooooh!2

178 posted on 02/06/2015 4:57:12 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
Catholics do not need born again. We have the Church ...

Good luck.



What IS it about the word MUST that is so offensive to Catholics?

179 posted on 02/06/2015 4:58:41 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
No one else’s business.

Tell it to ROME!

Your chosen religion is the one LYING about Joseph and Mary.

180 posted on 02/06/2015 5:00:52 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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