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To: Steelfish
All Bible Christians can do is throw bits and pieces of scripture and miss out on the coherent whole. If you cannot refute the undeniable fact, that even Luther admits, it is the Catholic Church that put together the canonical texts, there is no point in further discussion. For ELEVEN centuries it is the Catholic Church that assembled the canonical texts, interpreted its passages, and followed the rituals and traditions of the early Church and produced saints, martyrs, and stigmatists.

The scriptures I posted DID refute your supposed facts...Apparently you can't stand the fact that God wrote his scriptures to the average person for our understanding while he ignored the self proclaimed intellectuals of the world...

241 posted on 02/17/2015 1:49:44 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

No, it did not. Playing internet theologian is very dangerous. Go consult the real eminent Protestant theologians who spent a lifetime of scholarship, teaching and writing books and who indeed set out to prove Catholicism false, and then converted to Catholicism. You simply have not explained how by cracking open the page of the Bible (whose books were infallibly assembled as the true Word of God by the Catholic Church), by each invoking the Holy Spirit, and that yet everyone and their grandmother can come to different and often contradictory conclusions. This is shallow Bible Christianity that no one today takes seriously today except for congregants in Joel Osteen. Rev. Wright, the AME Churches and all the other corner street pastors


242 posted on 02/17/2015 8:06:55 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Iscool

Here’s your dilemma Sir.

You keep saying that God wrote to the “average person” but this does not make it self explicable. If so we would not have thousands of different Christians sects each claiming their belief to be this is what “God wrote.”

This is why God commanded Peter and His apostles to go forth and teach...” and to make sure that His teaching is ONE truth, Christ established ONE Church. He gave this Church the infallible authority to sort out the various writings that existed at the time, and to assemble the writings that were authentic into the canonical texts. There were also several things that Christ said and did that were not recorded in writing. This was the great oral tradition that the Church fathers used to infallibly assemble and interpret the texts. Without this Petrine authority the texts would be suspect. This was the faith of saints, monastics, martyrs, and stigmatists for eleven centuries before the Reformation that has since “spawned a cluster of heresies.”

What Bible Christians need to do is to go out of the shallow end of theological inquiry by not using disparate pieces of scripture and instead have a complete faith. The Church has a Credo for all peoples and for all times. Non-Catholic Christians on the other hand can go shopping from corner street pastor to mega pastor until they find a belief they are “comfortable” with. When mainline Lutheran and Episcopalian Churches began ordination of gay and lesbians pastors- apparently according to Scripture this was allowed, or so they believed what “God wrote” - many of their congregants left while others joined them.

In short, each person gets to interpret the Word of God as he/she sees fit forgetting for a moment that it was the Church that not only assembled, infallibly, the Word of God, but also has with it the great unwritten oral tradition. What scriptures confirms that Christ said and did but was not written.

So much for the average person understanding what “God wrote.” This is why we have a single Catholic Church, and why we regard all other Christian faiths as heretical in the sense in which that term is properly understood. Try reading Hillaire Belloc, “The Great Heresies.”


243 posted on 02/17/2015 1:56:01 PM PST by Steelfish
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