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To: Steelfish
And I'm still relying solely on what Jesus and the apostles taught. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to inspire the apostles to remember what He taught. God promise He would preserve His word for all generations. We can be assured that He did just that. We can be assured that the apostles wrote what God wanted them to write. We can be assured that God preserved that word for all generations.

Catholics claim they have oral tradition and additional revelation. Mormons claim they have revelation and teaching of angels. Muslims have their prophet. Every on of them is based on fallible men who perpetrated evil deeds. We can look at the wicked popes, Joseph Smith, and Mohammed to see.

The Old Testament oracles were given to the Jews. Catholics added to what those Jews held as scripture. Nothing was "taken out" later from those oracles by Protestants. They simply rejected what the Catholics had added and returned to the scriptures God had given to the Jews. The New Covenant information was given to the apostles. They each considered the others writings scripture. The Old Testament God entrusted to the Jews and the New Testament given to the apostles is scripture.

Mormons added the words of their "prophets from God". Muslims have their "prophet Mohammed. Catholics have the "petrine authority" and their sometimes "infallible pope" and their "revelations". The pope claims he's "vicar of Christ". David Koresh claimed he was "final prophet" of Jesus Christ. Sun Myung Moon claimed to be the second coming of Christ. Krishna Venta claimed to be "Christ on earth".

You want to keep bringing up all those names? It's not the Protestants who have similarities to them. It's the Catholics. Believe any one of those self proclaimed "christ on earth" fakes if you want Steelfish. I'm with the oracles entrusted to the Jews and the apostles Christ personally chose for the true word of God. Put your faith in any one of those "vicars of Christ" if you want but I put my faith in Christ alone.

228 posted on 02/15/2015 5:12:03 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

Your first sentence is a stopper, “relying on what Jesus and the apostles taught.”
But it is the Catholic Church that infallibly assembled the canonical texts and told you what Jesus taught. Instead, you take upon yourself this “infallible” authority given only to the Church under Petrine authority to tell us what is true and what is false according to “you.”

What you don’t seem to understand is that the Moonies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc, David Koresh etc all think that what “you” interpret is false.

This is why Christ made sure that there is only ONE truth by entrusting this to His ONE Church. This is the Church of saints, martyrs, stigmatists and the Church of the early Fathers. You cannot rebut this. Since lf you dispute the infallibility of the Church in selecting what books should be excluded and what should be included in the canonical texts, then you may be relying on faulty information.

This is why after a lifetime of study eminent Protestant theologians who set out to prove Catholicism wrong ended being converted to the Catholicism.


229 posted on 02/15/2015 9:20:57 AM PST by Steelfish
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