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To: Morgana

“There’s no way to know whether you’re assenting to divine revelation or to mere human opinion about divine revelation”

This is rather humorous. According to this guy, Protestants only have a mere human opinion of divine revelation, while Catholics are free from mere human opinion about divine revelation. So is not the Catholic Church and it’s Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, Deacons made up of humans? Are Catholics not allowed to form an opinion, or is their opinion assigned to them by the bureaucracy.

After that statement, one would hope if Catholicism were anything like he says, that thinking men would cast off the yoke of tyrannical clergy and find a thinking man’s religion.


304 posted on 02/03/2015 3:27:55 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
This is rather humorous. According to this guy, Protestants only have a mere human opinion of divine revelation, while Catholics are free from mere human opinion about divine revelation. So is not the Catholic Church and it’s Cardinals, Bishops, Priests, Deacons made up of humans? Are Catholics not allowed to form an opinion, or is their opinion assigned to them by the bureaucracy. After that statement, one would hope if Catholicism were anything like he says, that thinking men would cast off the yoke of tyrannical clergy and find a thinking man’s religion.

False Dichotomy.

Matthew 16:17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

What protestant group did Jesus say this to?

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

What protestant group did Jesus say this to?

Matthew 18:18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

What protestant group did Jesus say this to?

The answer is none, just as there were no protestants that received direct revelation from God. The only groups that we know for certain that have are the Jewish people (The last OT prophet being Malachi.) and the first leaders of the Catholic Church who through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible.

Since then the Catholics have been guide by the Holy Spirit as promised in Matthew 18:18.

While other groups have assumed they have that promise, the Catholics are the only ones that have it in writing.

306 posted on 02/03/2015 4:25:00 AM PST by verga
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To: RFEngineer

All of them have "been assigned" even as there can be disagreement among the many, and seemingly extra special dispensations granted for the tooth n'nail expression of relentless hatred for all whom would dare oppose any of the multitudinous claims of Rome as for it's own wonderfulness.

Yet one of the previous "assignments" was to not engage in contentious discourse with (pesky) Protestants and the like, unless they had special & explicit written(?) permission to do so. Marching orders must have changed over time...or have they?

If they have not, then many people here who contend, not for Christ first and foremost, but instead for the Roman Catholic Church first and foremost, could possibly be at odds with both the RC church, and Jesus Christ Himself, at the same time. If that is not the case, and instead the RC church actually approves of all the anti-everyone-other-than-ourselves sort of attitude often exhibited on these pages...then it's official -- the RCC does indeed hate us (or at least "despise" us?).

It's either something along those lines, or all the expressions of anti-Protestant bigotry and hatred which we see on these pages is just [Roman] Catholics expressing their own bigotry and hatred, with the "Church" not having anything to do with it.

You know...like it's just people sinning, instead of "The Church" being in any way (not even the slightest, they'll tell 'ya) in error.

Meanwhile, if that sort of thing is tracked down --- what is revealed in the end but that this "Church" which is allegedly flawless is just a bunch of teachings and writings which can at times conflict with one another, needing 'secret decoder rings' of inventive double-talk to make them appear (to the brain-washed) that the conflicts do not exist.

Personally, I will point out that Christ came to this earth to die for sinners, and to redeem their souls by giving His own life (in form of His own living flesh) as sacrifice, in place of the lives of sinners.

"They" say such things as there are two kinds of Grace...with one of those being 'sacramental' which one can ingest. And of course, according to RC theology, one can only receive that sort of 'grace' by or through their own offices, and none other (my own personal experience refutes that particular RC claim)...

Until one reminds "them" of the Orthodox, which then they will may make some exception for, even as there were those of the RC so-called magesterium whom centuries ago pressed the claim that Orthodox communion was not valid (since it did not submit itself to Romish claims for singular papacy be rightful place for anyone who ascended to the bishopric of Rome) similar to how they (the RCC on highest official levels) deny that the Anglicans possess "valid" communion.

314 posted on 02/03/2015 5:43:42 AM PST by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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To: RFEngineer
Are Catholics not allowed to form an opinion, or is their opinion assigned to them by the bureaucracy.

Catholicism is the only religion that does promote thought and reason and to that end has only strictly defined less than 10 verses of scripture. Catholics are even allowed to hold differing opinions on those AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT DIRECTLY CONTRADICT FORMAL DOCTRINE ON THOSE VERSES.

Look at the great theologians of the past Aquinas, Augustine, etc.....

Look at the councils that defined those things that ALL Christians agree on, The Trinity, the nature of the incarnation, The Trinity as three persons with one nature.

Not a single protestant contributed to that.

316 posted on 02/03/2015 5:57:28 AM PST by verga
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To: RFEngineer

” Protestants only have a mere human opinion of divine revelation,”..... B.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


326 posted on 02/03/2015 7:19:39 AM PST by buffyt (Socialism Is Legal Plunder - Bastiat... $18 trillion = enslavement of our children to DEBT.)
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