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To: angryoldfatman
"Your quote from Zechariah 12 has not happened yet either."

Yes, it did:

And following Him was a large crowd of the people, and of women who were mourning and lamenting Him. But Jesus turning to them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. "For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.' "Then they will begin TO SAY TO THE MOUNTAINS, 'FALL ON US,' AND TO THE HILLS, 'COVER US.' Luke 23:27-30

This was fulfilled in the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem, and it's that destruction about which Zechariah prophesied. And here is verse 30's parallel in Revelation:

Then the kings of the earth [land] and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" Revelation 6:15-17

You can choose to ignore the evidence all you wish, but it won't hasten Christ's return because He already appeared to that generation: the generation that crucified Him and persecuted His apostles.

That is what the NT actually teaches.

99 posted on 01/30/2015 7:34:50 PM PST by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Stingray

Then the kings of the earth [land] and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Revelation 6:15-17


This hasn’t happened yet. The elite mentioned, even if you narrow the number of them down by interpreting the passage in the way you have, didn’t care about the wrath of the Lamb. Indeed, they didn’t relate Jesus to any sacrificial lamb; otherwise the Crucifixion may have never happened and there would have been no Great Commission - why spread the Gospel when everybody already knows it?

This denial of the significance of modern events, especially the founding of Israel in 1948, opens doors wide for atheists and anti-Semites to harass us and is leading to open persecution of Christians. I don’t know why anyone would want that.


137 posted on 01/31/2015 6:02:52 AM PST by angryoldfatman
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