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To: Iscool
"Did Jesus drink vinegar with the disciples on the Cross??? Of course not...This priest doesn't have a clue but yet you guys put him out there like he's some sort of authority... And sadly you guys believe him because you obviously don't bother to check the scriptures to see if he is telling the truth...And he isn't..."

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The confusion exhibited in your post seems to emanate from the fact that you try to take every single word in the Bible in a literal way.

When you see that "Luke 23:46" says

Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.
while "John 19:30" says
When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
using the kind of flimsy logic displayed in your post about the literal words contained in those two Bible texts, you would have to say that either Luke or John were lying about the last earthly words of Jesus Christ on the cross.   However, the truth is way beyond that kind of simplistic, faulty reasoning.    You have to go beyond that erroneous "literal" obsession, in order to get to the truth.

Now if you want to get farther and more deeply into the truth which Fr. Mitch briefly explained in his answer to that caller, I urge you (and all interested lurkers) to listen to the complete fuller explanation given by Scott Hahn in the audio at the following link:

   "The Fourth Cup"

(By the way, did you notice how John says there in his Gospel that Jesus had received the "vinegar" (a type of wine back then)?

902 posted on 01/26/2015 9:19:37 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest
The confusion exhibited in your post seems to emanate from the fact that you try to take every single word in the Bible in a literal way.

Every single time, when possible...Why would God write a book of fantasies to give to us??? Why would God hand us a book with over 30,000 chapters in it with most of them not true???

When you see that "Luke 23:46" says

Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.

while "John 19:30" says

When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

So what then??? One of the writers of scripture lied???

Jesus job was finished...He knew the end...He knew his spirit and soul would depart...When it says he gave up the ghost, it doesn't necessarily mean that he died right them...It doesn't say he took his last breath as it does in Luke...It may have been his mental state that all had been accomplished and knew there was no more need for his spirit to stay around...It doesn't say the ghost left...It says he gave up the ghost...

Could be and apparently was he had one more thing to say before he took his last breath...And he did as can be seen in the book of John...

(By the way, did you notice how John says there in his Gospel that Jesus had received the "vinegar" (a type of wine back then)?

I certainly hope you are not trying to justify that priest's total blunder of an attempt to put Mat. 26:29 into Calvary...

Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Apparently then you are suggesting we shouldn't take this verse literally either...

What did your religion ever do before Scott Hahn showed up??? I wasted almost an hour listening to the 'pitch' from Hahn...Sorry, I'll stick with the bible as opposed to Hahn's fantasies...

1,011 posted on 01/27/2015 9:48:44 AM PST by Iscool
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