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To: rwa265
It can also be concluded, even though the phrase cannot be found in Scripture, that Mary is the mother of God.

Nope because GOD has no mother.

Jesus did.

Mother of God does not say the same thing as mother of Jesus.

*Mother of God* fails to recognize His humanity and the Incarnation.

I can't help but think that the Holy Spirit knew what He was doing when He addressed her as *mother of Jesus* instead of *mother of God*.

So it gets back to the fact that the term *mother of God* is a man-made phrase, a human construct.

806 posted on 01/26/2015 5:58:22 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Is there a disconnect here on the concept of Trinity? I was under the impression that Trinity was not one of the contested doctrines for non-Catholics, but I could be mistaken. For any that don’t believe in ‘Three Persons in One God’, this is never going to be worked out.

For those who do believe in the concept of Trinity, I don’t think there is as much disagreement here as it appears. Catholics do not believe that Mary gave birth to the entire Trinity, but that she gave birth to God Incarnate in the form of Jesus Christ.

The Trinity as a concept is a mystery and beyond logical explanation. That is why it requires faith to believe it. One God who is 3 individual Persons but still only one Being is not logical or comprehensible to the human brain. Jesus is one part of the Trinity yet joined completely with the Father and the Spirit into one Being. “The Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

I have never in any encounter with Catholic education/educators/literature/etc., heard anyone say that Mary existed before God the Trinity. I have no idea why anyone would think we believe that. But she was the mother of Jesus, who is God Incarnate, and was fully human and fully God at the same time, so she was the mother of God. So when we say ‘Mother of God’, we of course mean ‘Mother of Jesus’. And it is because of this role that we adore her, just as we adore our own mothers, because she is our mother. Jesus gave her to us and us to her.

Jesus was God before He was conceived, before He was born, when He was born, and He was God when He died, otherwise, why did God send his Son to die for us, if a purely human death would suffice?

Of course we don’t believe that God the Trinity was born or died, but we know those things happened to Jesus, who was fully God. God in the form of Jesus died on the cross, but He is not dead because He overcame death and rose again. That was the whole point. I don’t understand it, but I believe it.

Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven. Those are active verbs. His body was not brought back to life, He rose. He ascended of His own power into heaven. He never lost His divinity, it wouldn’t have been possible, as He was God Incarnate, and God can’t stop being God.

We cannot fully comprehend this. We just have to take it on faith, and I think is one of the things we will finally understand once we get to Heaven.

Love,
O2

p.s.
Catholic belief is that Mary was assumed, she was brought up to heaven by God because she is not God and couldn’t do it herself.

p.p.s.
Mary could have said ‘no’. Just because God knew she wouldn’t doesn’t mean she didn’t have the free will to refuse.


907 posted on 01/26/2015 10:14:40 PM PST by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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