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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Iscool
Jesus tells us to "listen to the church." And, "if he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."

That's complete unadulterated nonsense and a complete misunderstanding of the words He used.

He NEVER spoke them as a command, as they are being presented.

The passage in question is this.....

Matthew 18:15-20 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church.

And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

NOWHERE does Jesus command us to *listen to the church* and that "if he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."

That is a gross misinterpretation of the passage, which clear meaning is here for everyone to see.

It's dealing with disputes among believers, not absolute authority given to *the Church* and a command for all believers to submit to it.

That has been explained to you time and again and yet you still persist in the same error.

377 posted on 01/25/2015 11:43:48 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
That has been explained to you time and again and yet you still persist in the same error.

this statement made by a fallen away Catholic......amazing

870 posted on 01/26/2015 7:41:23 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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