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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Iscool; Arthur McGowan; metmom
>>The Church and the Bible tell us that Mary is the "Queen of Heaven."<<

No, it doesn't. The wife of the Father is Israel not Mary.

Isaiah 66:7 "Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son.

Who was that?

Isaiah 66:8 Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.

Who is that Zion?

Isaiah 66:10 "Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her.

Now, who is our mother and the mother of Christ?

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Catholics corrupt the words of scripture.

305 posted on 01/25/2015 8:51:36 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
Scripture is polyvalent, so both can be true, and in this case, both are true.

Catholics believe that the woman who gave birth to a Son who would rule with an iron scepter is a reference to Mary, and then in a secondary sense, to Israel.

On another occasion, Pope Benedict said:

This Woman represents Mary, the Mother of the Redeemer, but at the same time she also represents the whole Church, the People of God of all times, the Church which in all ages, with great suffering, brings forth Christ ever anew [General Audience, Aug. 23, 2006].
As Pope Benedict shows us, we don’t have to make a forced choice between the possible meanings of what the Woman represents.

In keeping with the richness of the way Revelation uses symbolism, to use Pope Benedict’s phrases, she can be Mary and “all Israel” and “the whole Church” in different ways.

Revelation 12: Who is the Woman Clothed with the Sun?


376 posted on 01/25/2015 11:43:13 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: CynicalBear
Catholics corrupt the words of scripture.

Catholics WROTE the words of scripture...helped you with that!!

853 posted on 01/26/2015 6:57:44 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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