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Mary is not God, though catholics by saying she is sinless strive to make her that.

What crapola! There is no connection between the two concepts.

Do you believe that each baby on the day of his birth is a sinner? Really? You must think that each baby is God on the day of his birth.

Do you believe that people with severe Down's Syndrome are sinners? Really? You must believe that people with Down's Syndrome are God, then.

Catholics know as well as anybody else that no creature can be God, because no creature is uncreated, eternal, and infinite. Catholics would have to be LITERAL low-grade morons to make an intellectual blunder like that.

The next time you repeat the preposterous, anti-Catholic slur that "Catholics make Mary into God," how about reflecting whether you really want to invite people to laugh at you.

21 posted on 01/24/2015 4:43:44 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Babies have a will before they are born. They are not immune from sin. "Behold I was brought forth in iniquity and in sin my mother conceived me." Psalm 51.

"Even from birth the wicked go astray. From the womb they are wayward, spreading lies." Psalm 58.3.

Haven't you heard about Esau grasping Jacob's heel before he was born?

Any why on earth would you think someone with Down's Syndrome can't sin? They also have an ability to choose good or evil.

ALL humanity other than Christ is fallen. Jesus is the only person who doesn't sin. Because only God does not sin. And that's why only He could redeem us.

24 posted on 01/24/2015 4:51:36 PM PST by what's up
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To: Arthur McGowan

“Do you believe that each baby on the day of his birth is a sinner?”

A baby has never committed a sin.
A baby is born in the race of Adam with an old nature.


31 posted on 01/24/2015 4:59:29 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Arthur McGowan; what's up

Ok, Catholics make Mary into a goddess. How’s that? What Catholics don’t seem to understand is that Spirit filled believers see with opened eyes. Catholics have attributed attributes that only belong to God to Mary and their saints.


51 posted on 01/24/2015 5:28:27 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan; what's up; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; ...
Catholics know as well as anybody else that no creature can be God, because no creature is uncreated, eternal, and infinite. Catholics would have to be LITERAL low-grade morons to make an intellectual blunder like that.

Before you go off the rails at someone, you ought to know what your own CCC says about that topic.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p1.htm

460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

CCC 795, Christ and his Church thus together make up the "whole Christ" (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:
Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God's grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does "head and members" mean? Christ and the Church.230

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.231

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.232

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."233

Looks like some low-grade morons are running the RCC and writing its catechism.

126 posted on 01/24/2015 8:11:14 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Do you believe that each baby on the day of his birth is a sinner? Really?

Excuse me but isn't it Catholic doctrine that all are born with "Original Sin" therefore the answers to your questions according to Catholic doctrine is that, yes, the babies are sinners. Isn't that the reason that they have to be baptized so quickly? To wipe away the "Original sin"? Why else would you baptize a baby if they weren't "sinners".

417 posted on 01/25/2015 1:49:23 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

So what about the Prophet Mohammed in Islam?

Is he worshipped by Muslims, who as we know are proud of their form of “monotheism”? I believe they do, although they would of course deny it.

A god doesn’t have to be eternal, either. Many mythic gods haven’t been. Idolatry can involve worship of just about anyone or anything. When what we owe to God alone is given to anyone or anyone else, that is a form of worship, and idolatry, and making that person or thing an idol or god. And worship can also involve treating someone or something besides God as a god, and giving that person or thing what God Himself wouldn’t ask for, such as the sacrifice of children to Baal.


482 posted on 01/25/2015 4:51:47 PM PST by Faith Presses On
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