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To: Arthur McGowan
It never fails in these discussions about Mary: The hatred of Mary is so powerful in some people that they will deny the divinity of Jesus in order to denigrate Mary. All the while attacking Catholics as "non-Christians" who are "un-Biblical."

Many Protestants have been taught from the cradle that Catholics make Mary a demigod, or even worship her. This disposes them to reject all Catholic arguments out of hand.

What is frustrating to us is that when we present them with Church teaching directly from the Catechism, or with arguments from Scripture or history, they often ignore them, and then tell us what we really believe-- IOW, what they have been taught by other Protestants about Catholic teaching.

If they want to be effective in their apologetics, they should show evidence of having read and understood our arguments, and then answer our arguments point by point.

169 posted on 01/25/2015 3:12:15 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

There must be some intellectually honest, intelligent Protestants in the world. There must be many on FR.

But there are none among those who post about Catholicism.

I have never seen so much equivocation, undistributed middles, and question-begging in my life.

I once asked, Are the following syllogisms formally valid or invalid?

Emily is the mother of Sam.
Sam is a fireman.
Emily is the mother of a fireman.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of God.

I was attacked by about five of FR’s Mary haters, for using “pagan philosophy,” for trying to lead them “down a rabbit hole,” for trying to use “human logic” in talking about God, etc.


244 posted on 01/25/2015 5:11:44 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Arthur McGowan; metmom; Iscool; boatbums; caww; Elsie; Mark17; annalex
Venerate - Word Origin and History for venerate - 1620s, from Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari "to reverence, worship"

Those silly non Catholics. They think that those who originally used the word knowing exactly what the original meaning was didn't understand what the word really meant. Right? NO! They knew exactly what the origin of the word was and what it meant.

312 posted on 01/25/2015 9:05:52 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
What is frustrating to us is that when we present them with Church teaching directly from the Catechism, or with arguments from Scripture or history

There is exactly zero authority for a Christian in your Catholic catechism...

Your history is filled with lies and forgeries...And you may as well leave the bible out of the equation since you guys don't even believe most of it...

317 posted on 01/25/2015 9:15:11 AM PST by Iscool
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Many Protestants have been taught from the cradle that Catholics make Mary a demigod, or even worship her. This disposes them to reject all Catholic arguments out of hand.

Where would they ever get the idea that Catholics make Mary a demigod, or even worship her.

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, and as having Divine powers and glory, and making offerings and beseeching such for Heavenly help, directly accessed by mental prayer.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

And making that distinction itself is presumptuous, as the Scriptures do not sanction religiously bowing down to any statue in supplication, nor supplies even one single prayer to anyone in Heaven but the Lord (crying "Abba, Father," Gal. 4:6; not "Mama, Mother"), nor in instructions on who to pray to ("our Father who art in Heaven," not "our Mother").

Note that many Catholic Marian attributions much parallel even that of Christ:

For in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,


828 posted on 01/26/2015 6:30:59 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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