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To: CynicalBear

No, that is not what I am saying. Mary conceived and gave birth to the Second person of the Trinity. She did not conceive and give birth to the Holy Spirit, who came over her. And she did not conceive and give birth to the Most High, who overshadowed her.

Mary can rightly be called the mother of God because Jesus is God, whole and entire, just as the Father and the Holy Spirit are God, whole and entire. They are one God, of one substance, essence, and nature.

Yet they are distinct in their relations with one another. They work as a single operation in all three persons, with each showing forth what is proper to him in the Trinity. This can be seen in John 14, where Jesus tells His disciples that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him, and that the Father who dwells in Him is doing His works. Then He says He is going to the Father, and that He will ask the Father to send another Advocate, the Spirit of truth, who will teach them everything and remind them of all that Jesus told them. The Father, Son, and Spirit, working as one, but each working in what is proper to him.

It was proper for Mary to be the mother of God the Son, but not to be the mother of the Father or the Spirit.


1,526 posted on 01/29/2015 9:18:16 AM PST by rwa265
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To: rwa265
>>Mary conceived and gave birth to the Second person of the Trinity.<<

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Galatians 3:26 for ye are all sons of God through the faith in Christ Jesus,

>>She did not conceive and give birth to the Holy Spirit, who came over her. And she did not conceive and give birth to the Most High, who overshadowed her.<<

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

>>Mary can rightly be called the mother of God because Jesus is God,<<

So why didn't the Holy Spirit inspire the writers to call her "mother of God"?

Acts 1:14 - These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

>>Yet they are distinct in their relations with one another.<<

So you can separate the nature of God but not the nature of Jesus the man?

You say you are looking for answers but I'm sensing you looking more to re-inforce prior beliefs.

1,527 posted on 01/29/2015 9:55:08 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: rwa265; CynicalBear
No, that is not what I am saying. Mary conceived and gave birth to the Second person of the Trinity.

NO, she did NOT!

The second person of the Trinity predated Mary.

Mary could not have given birth to the divinity of God without being divinity herself.

Otherwise, either you break the Trinity, or you make the Trinity less than God.

Mary can rightly be called the mother of God because Jesus is God, whole and entire, just as the Father and the Holy Spirit are God, whole and entire. They are one God, of one substance, essence, and nature

Mary cannot be rightly called the *mother of God* in any way, shape or form without either making her above God, or making God a created being, therefore not God.

Either way, that is elevating Mary above God, which we keep saying that Catholics do and they prove with posts like yours.

1,563 posted on 01/29/2015 1:58:43 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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