[rwa265]

There is a story that St. Augustine was walking on the beach contemplating the mystery of the Trinity. Then he saw a boy in front of him who had dug a hole in the sand and was going out to the sea again and again and bringing some water to pour into the hole. St. Augustine asked him, “What are you doing?” “I’m going to pour the entire ocean into this hole.” “That is impossible, the whole ocean will not fit in the hole you have made” said St. Augustine. The boy replied, “And you cannot fit the Trinity in your tiny little brain.” The story concludes by saying that the boy vanished because St. Augustine had been talking to an angel.

In the same way, we cannot fit Jesus in our tiny little brains. So yes, it is true, there is not a human on earth that understands Christ as God and man.

Having said that, I became involved in this discussion because I could not understand how someone could believe that Mary is the mother of Jesus without also being the mother of God. I think I do now but by all means correct me if I am wrong. I am not adverse to admitting that others may have a better theory.

There are different teachings on Jesus as God and man. One teaching holds that the incarnate Jesus is a single entity, at once God and man. Another teaching, the Nestorian doctrine, holds that there are two separate entities in Jesus, one God and one man.

I seems that this is at the heart of the disagreement on whether Mary is the mother of God. Those who hold that Jesus is the mother of God believe it only in the sense that Jesus is at once God and man. Those who hold that Jesus is not the mother of God believe that Jesus is two separate entities and Mary is the mother of Jesus only in his incarnate form.

Does this make any sense?

As to your saying that I claim that God is one, I’m not sure where you saw that I made that claim. I do believe that there is one God, but in three separate entities, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We can see this separateness in the baptism of the Lord, where the Father was the voice in heaven, the Son was Christ being baptized, and the Spirit was in the form of a dove who came to rest above Jesus.

So as to your question about who raised Jesus from the dead, we know from Scripture that it was God. But which person of the Trinity?

And to your question about who did God raise from the dead, we also know from Scripture that it was Christ. But was it Christ as God and man or was it only the incarnate Christ.

My tiny little brain does not have the answers.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “There is a story that St. Augustine was walking on the beach contemplating the mystery of the Trinity...” <<

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And you wish to raise your little catholic story to the level of scripture?

Its the nonsense of men.

There is nothing about Yeshua that is left unsaid.

Mary is the mother of a mortal human boy. He had the eternal spirit of God.

Yeshua gave up that eternal spirit before he died, but he didn’t have to give up his mother to die.

That which is mortal cannot be the mother of her immortal creator.
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[CynicalBear]

The fact still remains. Either the Godhead can be seperated or the nature of Jesus. The death and resurrection of Christ demands that either Jesus had two entities that could be separated or the Godhead can be separated. If you try to separate the Godhead you would be in Mormon or LDS territory.

[Iscool]

And to your question about who did God raise from the dead, we also know from Scripture that it was Christ. But was it Christ as God and man or was it only the incarnate Christ.

For non Catholics it's not a big issue...It doesn't change the fact that ALL of the living creation commits sin...

For Catholics on the other hand, the issue is huge since believing one of your two positions can eliminate Mary being the mother of God, being sinless and the whole shebang...

The scriptures of God gives the answer...You guys aren't big on scripture...You get your interpretation of scripture from your 'Church' and your 'Church' doesn't even comment on most of the scriptures while telling you not to go outside of what your religion teaches...

So you guys are left in the dark concerning what God has to say to his church...

When we pull up scripture to explain these things, you are taught to say, 'It's only your opinion'...

That's why, My tiny little brain does not have the answers.

[metmom]

Having said that, I became involved in this discussion because I could not understand how someone could believe that Mary is the mother of Jesus without also being the mother of God. I think I do now but by all means correct me if I am wrong. I am not adverse to admitting that others may have a better theory.

Is God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

IOW, is God the Trinity?

We'll start there.