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Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)
Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: 1010RD
>>I’m not certain I follow you here.<<

If I can be of any assistance in that decision I would say it's obvious to me that you don't.

>>Are you requesting the phraseology ‘mother of God’ be exactly matched in the Bible?<<

The Holy Spirit inspired specific words to convey a specific message so yes, I am requesting that the use of those specific words should be shown. If they were not used it's rather presumptuous to second guess or try to insert words.

Now tell me, if the humanity and Godhood of Jesus cannot in some way be separate did God die? And if so, which part of God died? If only part of God died can the Godhead be separated? It's either one or the other. It can't be both or neither.

961 posted on 01/27/2015 6:55:10 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom

Oh what a tangled web they weave.


962 posted on 01/27/2015 6:57:44 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie

LOL....


963 posted on 01/27/2015 6:58:05 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Arthur McGowan; CA Conservative
>>How is it contrary to Scripture to say that Mary was conceived without sin, and committed no personal sin?<<

Then whose sin did she die for? After all "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin" says death is the result of sin.

964 posted on 01/27/2015 7:03:21 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom
>>Notice his right hand with that occult finger shape symbol.<<

You noticed that also ey? And look at Mary's fingers. The two middle together with the index and pinky fingers separated. Is that natural or is that the letter "m" as some cults would say?

965 posted on 01/27/2015 7:06:21 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom; rwa265; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; daniel1212; Gamecock
>>Now this is the SECOND person who's saying that Deity died when Jesus died.<<

And how is it that the Godhead can be separated like that?

966 posted on 01/27/2015 7:09:17 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom
>>If you are going to object to "Catholic" teaching, make sure that what you are objecting to actually IS Catholic teaching.<<

"The Mass is called an unbloody sacrifice to clarify the fact that we do not behold the Lord’s bloody body as it was seen on Calvary. Instead his body and blood are under the appearances of bread and wine. But it is the same sacrifice. This distinction became necessary as the result of the denial of the Mass being a sacrifice by various Protestant groups." Catholic.com

"In contrast with sacrifices in the figurative or less proper sense, the sacrificial gift must exist in physical substance, and must be really or virtually destroyed (animals slain, libations poured out, other things rendered unfit for ordinary uses), or at least really transformed, at a fixed place of sacrifice (ara, altare), and offered up to God." Sacrifice of the Mass

How many times do we need to read that Christ is really and truly being sacrificed at the mass?

967 posted on 01/27/2015 7:36:31 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl
>>Catholics WROTE the words of scripture...helped you with that!!<<

Um, no, they were all Jews.

968 posted on 01/27/2015 7:43:33 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan; HarleyD

Unless the fireman was both God and man it’s invalid.


969 posted on 01/27/2015 7:46:34 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl; metmom
>>Jesus was all man and all God and you cannot separate the two...<<

But you think the Godhead can be?

970 posted on 01/27/2015 7:48:13 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM; Iscool
>>So you just ignore the words and faith of Peter and the other apostles.<<

So the apostles told people not to eat blood but then told them they must eat blood?

971 posted on 01/27/2015 7:50:04 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor

Ezekiel 46 doesn’t make the month and the weekly sabbath independent.

New moon day is the first day of every month..

Then our Sovereign says there are six working days in Ezekiel 46..

It is the ignoring of the new moon that has Jews to use the popes calendar to set their sabbath..

There has not been a continuous seven day week.. the battle of Jericho confirms that..

We also see that the first sabbath in the wilderness was on the 22nd day of the month(simple counting from the 15th)
16-21 were the days manna showed up..

His calendar is in His sky, confirmed in His Word..

The 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of each of His months are Sabbaths.

And they all are determined by the new moon..

According to the new moon, six work days template given by our Sovereign, today is His 5th day..
The world calls it Tiws day after some false god..

There really is a difference.

It is why the feasts can fall on any day.. they do not fall on ‘any’ day on His calendar.. they are always be same.. they just appear to be moving because of the world’s conformity to a roman calendar named after a pope.

The world discounts the moon and relies on the sun.. interesting that moon and month is the same word in hebrew


972 posted on 01/27/2015 7:54:31 AM PST by delchiante
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To: terycarl; caww
>>muslims have a better chance at salvation.<<

At least according to the Catholic Church. After all the Catholic Church says Catholics and Muslims serve the same god.

973 posted on 01/27/2015 7:54:56 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl

The dates are not irrevelant to our Heavenly Father.

He taught them to Israel...they were holy appointments where they were to worship Him.

What is amazing is that His Son fulfilled them perfectly.. Israel
Observed them as a memorial but thy were also a shadow of their King..and the Kingdom.. and we are told that they are still a shadow..

And a study of those genuine feast and holy days of new moons, Sabbaths and feasts just confirmed how much of this world, and religion included is counterfeit..

And how times and laws would change by the enemy who as a vested interest in hiding our Heavenly Father’s appointed times He gives His people to worship..

Worship in spirit and truth is different than worship in spirit and error/lies..

Pauls gospel to Corinthians wasn’t good Friday and easter.. it was Passover and first fruits..
And some times those days match.. most of the time they do not..


974 posted on 01/27/2015 8:05:13 AM PST by delchiante
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To: Heart-Rest
I think it is you who needs to listen to them again. They are saying that when Christ made the statement For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."> he was talking about the fourth cup which they say He drank on the cross. I showed that Christ said "I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."

Therefore the allegation that Christ was talking about the "fourth cup" which was what they say He drank on the cross is totally contrary to scripture. The apostles were not on that cross nor did Christ drink it "with them". In that video they are lying.

975 posted on 01/27/2015 8:08:40 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Heart-Rest

Play word games all you want. The passage does NOT say that scripture is not to be interpreted by individuals as Catholics try to imply.


976 posted on 01/27/2015 8:10:27 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: redleghunter; metmom; Elsie

And we see the position of the fingers again! What’s up with that?


977 posted on 01/27/2015 8:11:54 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM
The Trinity is a mystery that we cannot fully comprehend, but God is God. Jesus has dual nature as God and Man. If we make it to Heaven, then God will reveal Himself to us in all His Glory.We will adore God.

Jesus while on earth was God, manifest in the flesh...God has revealed himself to us in the scriptures...

978 posted on 01/27/2015 8:15:27 AM PST by Iscool
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To: omegatoo; metmom
>>God in the form of Jesus died on the cross, but He is not dead because He overcame death and rose again.<<

So the Godhead can be seperated but the manhood and Godhood of Jesus can not? How does that work out? And who was it that raised Jesus from the dead?

979 posted on 01/27/2015 8:16:06 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: delchiante
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>> “New moon day is the first day of every month..

Then our Sovereign says there are six working days in Ezekiel 46..\” <<

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That is not of relevance to the fact that the sabbath is eternal, and independent of the months.

There always have been six work days and one rest to every Sabbath.

You need to study the agricultural nature of Yehova’s calendar. The aviv barley is the signal to begin the new year with the new moon that coincides therewith.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the regular Sabbath, that began on day one of creation, and continues unbroken until the Sabbath rest becomes eternal.

Remember his Sabbath to keep it Holy!

Do you understand what Holy means? - It means that it is to be kept set apart from all other things.

>> “The 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of each of His months are Sabbaths.” <<

NO! That would be an unholy arrangement!

The Sabbath cannot be set subservient to anything, it must remain Holy.

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980 posted on 01/27/2015 8:18:12 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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