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Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)
Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: Elsie
It is against the teachings of the Church to hate anyone. Love God; love your neighbor; love your enemies.

Forum rules and lack of disclosure preclude individual discussion so generalizations are made in forum that would be arguable with the individual in the real, one-on-one world.

741 posted on 01/26/2015 1:35:02 PM PST by Grateful2God (The devil's strategy: divide and conquer. Charity defeats him. Beware those who seek division!)
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To: editor-surveyor

"The Virgin Mary, being obedient to his word, received from an angel the glad tidings that she would bear God" (Against Heresies, 5:19:1 [A.D. 189]).
Irenaeus

742 posted on 01/26/2015 1:35:06 PM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: rwa265

Some live to snark. Cannot imagine they could have much of an actual life. More to be pitied than scorned.


743 posted on 01/26/2015 1:45:44 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: NYer

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Yes, her son was a mortal human with the eternal spirit of God.

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I didn’t know that they had color photography back then...

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744 posted on 01/26/2015 1:49:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Grateful2God
You focus on that an awful lot.

I'm married...

Too bad the Mary that Rome has created was NOT a faithful Jewish wife.

745 posted on 01/26/2015 1:53:31 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rwa265

I have.


746 posted on 01/26/2015 1:54:10 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God
It is against the teachings of the Church to hate anyone.

And yet they appear to do so; wouldn't you agree?

747 posted on 01/26/2015 1:55:29 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NYer

I am a JEW!!!


748 posted on 01/26/2015 1:56:41 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Grateful2God; Elsie

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>> “ it was her choice to remain a Virgin, and Joseph’s to remain chaste” <<

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Completely contrary to what scripture states.

The scripture plainly says that Joseph “knew” her after Yeshua was born, and that she had sons and daughters.

Peter said that James was the brother of Yeshua, so did Paul.

When she came to interrupt his ministry, he said to all present that they, the crowd, were his mother and his brothers.
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749 posted on 01/26/2015 1:57:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NYer
"The Virgin Mary, being obedient to his word, received from an angel the glad tidings that she would bear God"

Obedient?

"I guess I'll have to do whatever you've said." covers it better...


And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.

750 posted on 01/26/2015 1:59:40 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

And the sign of Mithra’s cross is really the poope gesturing:

Alla usea Joosa get offa ma grassa!

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751 posted on 01/26/2015 2:00:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie
>>>You may want to look at THIS thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3250639/posts?page=1 Some of your fellow Catholics are foaming at the mouth on it...<<<

Really? You can see them foaming at the mouth? Maybe you should step away from the screen for awhile...

That is a pre- Vatican II Council piece from somewhere, and is dated 1875. Vatican II was an Ecumenical council, you know. We've had 21 Ecumenical Councils.

752 posted on 01/26/2015 2:00:25 PM PST by Grateful2God (The devil's strategy: divide and conquer. Charity defeats him. Beware those who seek division!)
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To: don-o

Some live to snark. Cannot imagine they could have much of an actual life. More to be pitied than scorned.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3248469/replies?c=143


753 posted on 01/26/2015 2:01:54 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor

No, completely contrary to what YOUR INTERPRETATION of scripture states.


754 posted on 01/26/2015 2:02:54 PM PST by Grateful2God (The devil's strategy: divide and conquer. Charity defeats him. Beware those who seek division!)
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To: Grateful2God

It is against the teachings of the Church to hate anyone.


Whoa, wait a minute. That sounds good until you think about it. You are right, THE TEACHING OF THE CHURCH is to not hate, but God hates sin and those who practice sin. Hate the sin and love the sinner is a quote from Gandhi.

Rom_9:13 As it is written, “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” should also make us pause.

I refer you to the following for thought:

http://www.learnthebible.org/does-jesus-hate.html

Our God is a Holy God, don’t “pigeon hole” him into only being about love. I kinda like the conclusion:

In conclusion, the evidence is clear. Jesus hated and had reasons to hate. The question I have is: Why is it so difficult for people to imagine Jesus hating anything? I think the answer is that people today do not base their concept of Jesus on the Bible. They have created a Jesus in their own imagination. This is the Jesus of tradition and of man’s imagination; not the Jesus of the Bible. The Bible tells us of this tendency to make Jesus into something He is not and warns us of those who come and preach “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4

The Jesus of popular conception is “another Jesus.” He is more like Santa Claus (another invention of the human imagination) than the Jesus of the Bible.


As a final note this does not negate what God says about love. He is both, but it is our puny minds that can’t reconcile this and think it is one or the other.


755 posted on 01/26/2015 2:03:39 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Elsie

Maybe get the beam out of your eye first, Elsie?


756 posted on 01/26/2015 2:03:58 PM PST by Grateful2God (The devil's strategy: divide and conquer. Charity defeats him. Beware those who seek division!)
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To: Iscool
Jesus can no more see God than I or you can see our souls.

Both St. John and St. Paul speak of how, in heaven, we will SEE GOD AS HE IS.

But that's only Scripture, which always takes second-place to man-made Protestant doctrines.

757 posted on 01/26/2015 2:04:41 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: CynicalBear

As I stated before you are entitled to you personal opinion, and you will find out later if Jesus agrees with that opinion.

I completely disagree with your analysis and I believe Jesus has told us very clearly (literally) and has given us His Body and Blood in the Eucharist for our Salvation.

I do hope that you understand the Truth.


759 posted on 01/26/2015 2:12:32 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: Grateful2God; Elsie

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LOL! - Catholics talking about beams in eyes? Astounding!

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760 posted on 01/26/2015 2:16:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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