Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer
Yet you would purport to tell us how Jesus being both fully man and fully God functions?
The Holy Spirit did not call Mary the "mother of God". Man giving her that title purporting to understand the nature of Christ is pure folly.
That’s been my experience. At least to one extent or another.
That does answer that question doesn’t it.
“And that goes for Holy Communion, as well. He did not give the disciples or anyone to eat from His body, not at the Last Supper, nor after, from His resurrected body, but I do believe we eat from Him in the sense of Him somehow being all those things - the Word, the Passover Lamb, Light, living water, etc.”
We believe the actual words of Jesus, especially when some questioned eating His Flesh and they did not believe and left no longer followers of Jesus.
Jesus changed water into wine, multiplied fish and bread and many other miracles, Why do you not believe that Jesus could change the bread and wine into His Body and Blood and leave us with His gift of Himself for our salvation.
Jesus said to Thomas, “Have you come to believe because you have seen me?r Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”
This may help you understand:
http://www.catholic.org/news/international/europe/story.php?id=43101
I didn’t think I was making it personal, just trying to reply to actual comments.
Thanks for the link. I am familiar with the biblegateway web site and frequently refer to it. I did not search for the phrase “God the Son” because it was not my intent in using that phrase to directly quote from Scripture, and I knew that I would most likely not find it.
I agree that Mary is called the mother of Jesus in Scripture. I also agree that Mary is not called the mother of God in Scripture. The following if/and/then statement has been put forward many times.
If Mary is the mother of Jesus
And Jesus is God
Then Mary is the mother of God.
Reflecting on that statement, I did a search for the phrase “Jesus is God,” and there were 0 Bible results for NASB and KJV. This does not mean Jesus is not God. John 1 was given as a secondary result, and by reading this passage and others, it can be rightly concluded through several if/and/then statements that Jesus is God.
It can also be concluded, even though the phrase cannot be found in Scripture, that Mary is the mother of God.
What, you say? How can this be? How can Mary be the mother of our Lord and Creator?
I have a couple of thoughts on this.
First, it can be only through the will of the Father that a woman could become the mother of God. It was the will of the Father that the Spirit breathe on Mary. It was the will of the Father that God enter the womb of Mary in the person of Jesus. It was the will of the Father that Mary give birth to God in the person of Jesus. It was the will of the Father that Jesus tarry in Jerusalem to be about his Father’s business. And it was the will of the Father that God in the person of Jesus be subject to Mary and Joseph: “but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.”
This belief can be held without following all of the other beliefs about Mary that are not specifically stated in Scripture. God could have chosen any woman. Mary could have said no and another could have become the mother of God in the person of Jesus. But Scripture tells us it was Mary.
My second thought has to do with the oneness of Jesus as God. From my earliest days, I was taught to bow my head at the name of Jesus. My guess is that this was derived from Philippians 2:9-11:
“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
I have a neighbor who actually touches her knee to the ground at the name of Jesus. I don’t go that far, but to this day, at the age of 67, I still bow my head at the name of Jesus. It is ingrained on my heart that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is God. So when I hear the name Jesus, to me it is identical to hearing the name God. And when scripture says Mary is the mother of Jesus, to me it is identical to saying Mary is the mother of God.
In my heart, Jesus cannot be separated from God; they are one and the same. So when it is said that Mary is the mother of Jesus and not the mother of God, I cannot for the life of me understand how Mary can be the mother of one and not the mother of the other. To me it is equivalent to saying Jesus is not God.
metmom, I mentioned it before, but one day when I told my Catholic Dad that I was praying that my Methodist Mom would become a Catholic like us, he chastised me, saying “Son, you better pray that you become as good a Christian as your Mom is.” My sister was raised Catholic and is now Methodist. My daughter was raised Catholic and is now a member of a Christian Church. They are both as close to Jesus as they ever were as Catholics. So, no, I am not one of those smarmy Catholics.
I realize that it is a difficult concept to grasp that God will allow a woman to be His mother, but it is even more difficult for me to understand how Jesus can be something while at the same time God is not that same thing.
CB, If you want to think I am twisting and turning this issue, so be it. I do not think that about you. I believe you are searching as honestly as you can for the truth, just as I am. And we have different understanding of that truth.
With all due respect, the argument that should be on the table is "Which is the best of the original language texts?" Any and all translations must take those original ideas expressed by the writers and move them into a then-current language framework.
Translation is not complete, or accurate, unless the pictures formed in the readers' minds are the same as those intended by the writers. And, frankly, there are several remarks in the King's English that are no longer understood the way they were in the 1600s.
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
The apostles weren't with Christ on the cross nor were they "in my Father's kingdom". Do Catholics not EVER check with scripture to see if what they are being told is truth? The priest lied Heart-Rest. And evidently he was passing a lie along that he claims came from Scott Hahn who Catholics love to trot out.
That was a perfect example of how Catholicism is built on lies and corruption of what scripture says.
Our eternal destiny lies in who we put our trust in. Eternal bliss in heaven or eternal torment in hell. Choose this day who you will put your trust in. Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit's words in scripture or the proven lies of that priest and Scott Hahn?
Still praying. I miss her as well!
Is not scripture God's words?
My only man is Jesus Christ...I follow him and the book he left for us to study...
Well done!!
How about you answer in detail exactly how Him being both God and man works and was accomplished. Did God die?
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
I agree...They fashioned their buildings, attire and customs on a combination of Jewish Old Testament Temple and pagan traditions...They don't even bother with the New Testament instructions to the churches...
When one digs a little, one can find they claim their 'Church' IS the kingdom of God, on earth...When they are successful in 'uniting' all the religions of the world into their religion, THEN their 'Christ' will show up...
I am always fascinated that when they speak of their 'Christ', they rarely if ever mention the name of Jesus...
If Mary was born without original sin and did not sin because she was not fallen, then she would not have been saved through faith but being sinless would not need redemption and would not have called her son Messiah.
2 Peter 1:20 this first knowing, that no prophecy of the Writing doth come of private explanation for not by will of man did ever prophecy come, but by the Holy Spirit borne on holy men of God spake.
The "holy men" there were the prophets. It was the Holy Spirit from which the explanation of those visions came. It was NOT talking about "interpretation of scripture".
As is Catholicism. See here for an example.
Just wanted to let you know that I had been responding to another post and believe the children of Abraham are children of faith of all nations, tongues, peoples, etc. Not just the Jews, because not all Jews are faithful. I don’t even want to think about the debate on Islam.
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