Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[CynicalBear]

>>On another occasion, Pope Benedict said:<<

I'll stay with what scripture says thank you very much. The Catholic "Mary is our mother" is simply made up while God saying "Jerusalem is the mother of us all" is truth. polyvalent - effective against several strains of the same disease-producing microorganism, antigen, or toxin

You are correct that scripture is affective against several strains of the same desease-producing microorganisms. Catholicism being one of those organisms.

[CynicalBear]

>>So rome’s easter means nothing to you?<<

Of course it does not. Nor Christmas, nor Sunday, not anything else not found or supported in scripture. You need to keep up dude. I was one of the first to be excoriated on this site for even mentioning it. Where you been?

[Grateful2God]

“Those Hebrew roots folks”

If you mean us Catholics, please clarify. Also, I’m still wondering how one finds a spirit-filled church without their being some sort of leader, teacher, head of Bible study.

[DungeonMaster]

“This is the work of God, that you believe in Him who He sent and Her through whom He sent Him”. Says not John 6:29

[CynicalBear]

Nothing in that passage negates the rapture. The Lord will not come until after “the man of lawlessness is revealed”. With the rapture He doesn’t come down to earth. The “day of the Lord” is the period of time that God once again deals with Israel as a nation under the covenant of the law as was foretold in Daniel. They have seven years of the covenant still to be fulfilled.

[rwa265]

Why did you not include verse 21 from the Catholic bible?

Catholic bible - Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.

Your words - Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

How is the Catholic version twisting your words?

[CynicalBear]

Oh come now. Catholics use that verse all the time to claim that no on should be interpreting scripture. The passage has no connection with that. The passage is saying that the prophets were not prophesying what they interpreted the vision to mean but that it was the meaning God gave to that vision. It has nothing to do with our interpreting scripture as Catholics like to portray it.

[what's up]

Who made you God? and all knowing? You offer no justification for your statement. There are well written explantions of the Catholic Church teachings on this subject. I can’t believe that you call Jesus a sinner.

A) I quoted several scripture references as justification for my statement.

B) WHERE in the world did I call Jesus a sinner?

[what's up]

if you were to know God did will, through His divine providence, to create a woman free of original sin, so as to be a worthy mother for his Son, what would your reaction be?

God already tells us time and time again in His Word that all men with the exception of Christ is fallen. Thus the need for GOD as redeemer; someone created will never fill the bill.

Why would I want to engage in fantasy that doesn't reflect what the Bible's message is?

[CynicalBear]

>>If you mean us Catholics, please clarify.<<

LOL!!! Trust me, Hebrew roots nor sacred name people have anything to do with Catholicism.

>>Also, I’m still wondering how one finds a spirit-filled church without their being some sort of leader, teacher, head of Bible study.<<

Unless you shed those blinders of Catholicism you never will.

[what's up]

You may find comfort, but will you find salavation for rejecting God’s Word and the teachings of His Church?

The reason I find comfort is because there is salvation in the message of the Word.

That message is...God sent His Son. Those who have faith in him have achieved salvation. Amen.

[what's up]

It can't be because if there's no sin, there's no need for grace. Where sin abounds, grace much more abounds. If there was no sin in Mary, she would not need grace, therefore couldn't be *full of grace*.

Correct. Jesus didn't need grace because He was not a sinner. He is the one who provides grace.

Mary needed grace because she was a sinner.

[Grateful2God]

del, maybe this will clarify:

Post # 60 An excerpt:

To: Grateful2God

>>I mentioned nothing about Catholics in the post. Your blatant hatred of Catholicism comes out,<<

I certainly hope so. I believe it to be the most dangerous religion on earth.

posted on 1/18/2015 9:08:31 PM by CynicalBear

[what's up]

Yeah, right...for one thousand six hundred years Christ ignored His church

Nonsense. There were heroes in the church all along. From Polycarp thru Augustine thru Aquinas. Luther was a continuation of the message that the Bible being the Word of God contains the truth of Christ's salavation.

[CynicalBear]

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[Grateful2God]

“Unless you shed those blinders of Catholicism you never will.”
STILL NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION... INTERESTING.

[BlueDragon]

You open the Catechism of the Catholic Church for one reason only: to find little sticks with which to beat the Church around the ankles.

That is an example of "attributing motive" (to a particular individual participant while interacting with them) and is verboten on the religion sub-forum of FreeRepublic.

The lady showed just where your own statement was logically incorrect.

Either deal with the information which was being discussed -- or not.

BUT -- do not attribute motive, or play the mind reader.

Or else everyone else gets to do that too...which can result in flamefests.

The 'religion forum' guidelines (or rules) have a certain wisdom to them.

If those guidelines are not to your liking...then leave off discussing issues pertaining to religious controversy here on FR, and stick to news and activism.

There are other forums on the www where one can wrestle with wretches under different rules. I invite you to either ---- stop the amateur mind reading (leave that to the pros) or find some other place to wrest.

[don-o]

By claiming that Mary is the mother of God, it says NOTHING about His humanity. It completely ignores it, thus denigrating the Incarnation.

Have I missed something? Is someone claiming Jesus is not human?

[delchiante]

Now, we have a base to start with..

So it is only in the name Jesus that you share with catholics and protestants?

Can you explain to me how translators have replaced the name Jesus with the non Greco, roman Latin name Joshua in acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8?

Why did they not think Jesus was a worthy enough translation like they did back in at least 1599? Why the need to change those two verses with the sacred names of Jesus with the unholy name of Joshua?

Still waiting for an explanation to that...

[huldah1776]

I grew up believing in the pre-trib rapture and now I don’t. It’s just not scriptural.